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Title: Smut-writing discussion // And also general smut discussion
Post by: Vox on March 22, 2015, 12:39:27 pm
This thread split-off from the Nezushi sexcanon discussion.
WARNING: NSFW. PLEASE DO NOT STAY IN THIS THREAD IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO READ GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF SEX AND SEXUAL ACTS. THANK YOU.

Original message:
@Ahiku what I meant was that you're good at drawing things I actually want to look at! Smut has nothing to do with it! :3
(Three arms, Ahiku... XD)

I'm sure I could design a perfectly good doujin, I just can't draw it. I have lots of ideas of nice romantic things. But I guess that's why I'm a writer and not an artist.
The problem with that is the whole picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words thing. Smut authors have to work a lot harder than smut artists, imo :I

Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Ahiku on March 22, 2015, 01:04:35 pm
@Vox
Ah so, okay! X'D

Yeah, he has three arms... orz
Or a very, very long right arm. X'D Nezumi, the tentacle monster. (Better than Shion with a burning rope around his body... right, @listenforthelove X'DDD?)

Ah, if you want to we can do a collaboration one day. ^^ (Unless the doujin is not too long.)

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The problem with that is the whole picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words thing. Smut authors have to work a lot harder than smut artists, imo :I

Ah... I don't know... It takes a while to draw. X'D Of course you can express more with a picture, but it's really hard to compare. When I draw manga pages, I need 30mins if it's a simple one and up to 2 hours if it's one with a lot of panels and details...
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Vox on March 22, 2015, 02:53:52 pm
I didn't mean the work that goes into crafting whatever it is is more if you're a writer than an artist. I would never suggest something as stupid as that, I know how much work it takes to make art!

I meant, a story requires progression in order to have an impact, whereas in art a single still frame will do the trick. Sex is kinda a process, so the writer has to both begin it and end it, whereas an artist can just show a snapshot from it and be done. I guess what I'm complaining about is the fact that you can draw any number of pictures of sex and it will feel like something new even though the essential act is the same, but for a writer, you are so limited by the fact that there are only so many words in the English language. Every sex scene will probably contain the same basic set of words, and it gets really boring trying to come up with new turns of phrase to describe the same feelings. That's one of the reasons I wasn't cut out to be a mostly-smut writer. Because I can't write too many sex scenes in a row without thinking they all sound the same, and being bored out of my skull. Like, I'm pretty sure that every kiss I've ever written has either "gently," "softly," or "tenderly" in it somewhere. Why would anyone want to read more than one of my stories in a row? But if I could draw, ah! It'd be the **** Olympics, pun intended xD
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Ahiku on March 22, 2015, 03:20:39 pm
Ah, I see. o.o I have never thought about it in that way, but you're right. I'm not that much of a writer... especially not in English. I'm glad when people understand what I try to say. XD That's why I don't think about new ways of describing something. (Ah, and I'm glad when I can read a scene without looking up every second word because I don't know it yet. ^^ Especially when you read smut stuff.)

Well... I like all of your stories! With smut or without... :D

(Ah, of course I prefer it when "smut" stories have an actual story line^^ So... just smut is also not very cool... and I also prefer it when stories don't end after the characters had sex, as if the sex was the only thing they aimed for. o.o)

Ah, but you're right... It's pretty hard to come up with something new when you want to write sex scenes. Even though NezuShi is a good couple... I think you can do a lot with them. :D
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: lawlya on March 22, 2015, 04:08:41 pm
It's really tiresome to write smut in German because we have so many awkward sounding words. So, here's my input to this topic xD I really think English has so many nice words for writing smut and then you're sitting there, trying to write it in German and can't get into the mood at all because of that awkward wording >.<"
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Vox on March 22, 2015, 04:23:17 pm
@Ahiku Oh, thank you. I was so afraid I'd totally ruin Fateswap by putting smut into it ^^;;

@lawlya I thought you were a native German speaker. Do the words really sound that weird to you? O.o
Sorry, I have to disagree with you about English though. English has absolutely awful words for smut, because all of them have negative connotations.

*puts on education hat* We as a culture never developed a good dialogue about sex, so all our words for sexual acts are extremely vulgar and probably come from houses of prostitution (see: eating someone out, handjob, blowjob, etc.) or extremely academic (see: oral sex, anal sex, etc.). The same goes for body parts. While a certain amount of vulgarity is necessary in writing certain sexual things (they don't call it "dirty talk" for nothing), when you're trying to make a romantic sex scene you're basically screwed at the start because there's no overlap. People try to compensate by using euphemisms like "member" and "rod" for d*cks, or "core" or "cave" for v*gina but most of those are really awkward, and sometimes you can even stray into the infantile if you're not really careful. On top of all that, sexism has made an imbalance between sexes so when you're writing hetero or genderbent smut, have fun describing a woman's private parts because mentions of the clitoris and other parts are considered offensive, and so are the opposite of arousing for most people. *takes off education hat, dons gauntlets of strong opinions*

Anyway that's another reason I hate writing about sex, because the vocabulary for the mechanical parts of the act is just so terrible. There are a few good ways of saying things, like personally I like "lips" to talk about women's private parts (though that can get repetitive/confusing if there's a lot of kissing) and "arousal" for a man (though that makes it sound like I don't know what I'm talking about). Maybe it's just my pompous, highbrow literature side speaking, but I feel like there's a lot less freedom in writing about sex than there is in other topics. It's just so hard to make it sound natural. Because it's not. The vocabulary to make it natural just hasn't evolved yet, and I'm really inexperienced in writing this stuff so the whole thing seems really daunting to me. (Hence the insecurity about Fateswap).

Aaaaaaaand... this thread is super off topic, lol. Sorry guys. xD
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: lawlya on March 22, 2015, 04:28:54 pm
Being native makes it even worse xD But if I read what you wrote ... seems that's the fate of native speakers writing smut?
Because I never think of those words as vulgar or too academic. But that's exactly the problem I have with German words and I'm definitely not the only one ^^" It's either anatomical accurate, vulgar or an overused euphemism xD

Yeah, sorry for off-topicness guys ^^"
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Weisel on March 22, 2015, 04:56:58 pm
I think since a lot of us here are writers, we could have another thread to discuss this elsewhere (because obviously we're all interested in talking about it and we all have unique viewpoints). Anyone want to start that?

Also for me writing smut, specifically NezuShi smut (because all my other writing has been on hold for a couple years), I don't find the terms to be too difficult... Like, it's a little bit of a challenge, but if I'm writing a sex scene at all, it's for a very specific purpose, and it's usually focusing on what's happening as a result of that. How do I put that into better words... It's focused on the emotions of the scene, not the mechanics of everything.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: lawlya on March 22, 2015, 05:24:28 pm
Would probably be a good idea :) Anyone against splitting the thread? We could use the new one to help each other writing better smut too xD
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: AoYokai on March 22, 2015, 06:11:45 pm
@Ahiku

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I'm not that much of a writer... especially not in English.

But... but... everything you write is so amazing Q.Q

@Vox about the vocabulary, I actually think about words a lot, not for writing smut because I just can't write smut but in general. And I think that it's true that most words are either academic or vulgar, but here is a counter example (?): making-love.

Oh and I'm in the favor of a new thread!

Back to the doujin topic, anyone read the one where Shion hires someone to pretend to be himself because he dies five years(?) before Nezumi comes back so that person now pretends to be Shion when Nezumi arrives?
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Vox on March 22, 2015, 06:34:12 pm
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It's either anatomical accurate, vulgar or an overused euphemism xD

@lawlya that is EXACTLY what I was trying to say, just in a less long-winded way, so thank you XD

@AoYokai I'm not trying to say that there are NO good ways to say things. It's just, they're very limited.
Maybe we should compare notes and see which inappropriate terms we all like XD

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Also for me writing smut, specifically NezuShi smut (because all my other writing has been on hold for a couple years), I don't find the terms to be too difficult... Like, it's a little bit of a challenge, but if I'm writing a sex scene at all, it's for a very specific purpose, and it's usually focusing on what's happening as a result of that. How do I put that into better words... It's focused on the emotions of the scene, not the mechanics of everything.

@Weisel Yeah, see, that's the thing. For me, what's going on in real time and the emotions are both really important pieces of the puzzle. Okay, the actual sex thing (for normal m/m Nezushi, the part where a d*ck goes somewhere and then ejaculation happens) is not important. But all the foreplay is really important, because it's super emotionally charged. If you look at the smut scene I most recently wrote in Fateswap Beyond, you'll see that it's like 75% foreplay and Nezumi internal monologue, and only 25% actual sex. (And they never took their boxers off either because Shion would've freaked the f*ck out lol)
But in my ideal world, I would have words at my disposal that I could use to make the actual act of sex feel the same way it does in real life, instead of relying on everything that comes before and after to make up for the weakness of the writing of the actual act.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: AoYokai on March 22, 2015, 06:38:13 pm
The winner in the contest of the term I hate the most for d*ck is noodle so far >< I don't have ones I like particularly...
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Vox on March 22, 2015, 06:39:40 pm
@AoYokai you're seriously telling me that one time you read a smut fic where someone used the word "noodle" for "dick" and they weren't joking or trolling?

(Wait, is dick not actually censored... is that because it's a name or because i put it in quotes?)
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Weisel on March 22, 2015, 06:41:53 pm
NOODLE. NOOOOOOOODLE.

(that's all my brain is doing right now. just repeating the word "noodle.")
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: AoYokai on March 22, 2015, 06:43:55 pm
Not only dick because it was a NezuShi fic (I know, I'd expect this behavior from the DMMd fandom, too) they at some point called his dick a mouse.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Weisel on March 22, 2015, 06:49:28 pm
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Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: AoYokai on March 22, 2015, 06:50:23 pm
OH NO
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Vox on March 22, 2015, 06:54:14 pm
Some smut authors need professional help. Like, seriously.

And Weisel, that image is spot on. XD

Okay, let's see what the worst word for dick I ever heard was...
I can't remember... maybe I should go through my old chat logs, I used to make fun of bad smut with my friends XD
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: AoYokai on March 22, 2015, 06:57:32 pm
So there's member, ****, dick, ****...
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: lawlya on March 22, 2015, 07:10:19 pm
I somehow prefer **** the over dick; mainly because it has a nicer sound and I mentally read aloud when reading anything non-science.
But the worst ... can't really think of anything. Probably deleted it from my memory xD But I don't like member because of the "overused euphemism"-problem ^^" Though I don't dislike it that much either xD
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: AoYokai on March 22, 2015, 07:13:17 pm
It censors thing when did that happen wha...? The other ones were c*ck and p*nis.

I don't care much but if I had to choose I'd choose dick...
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Ghosty on March 23, 2015, 08:40:54 am
i wasn't aware they censored words here either... I probably should be suprised

I always preferred dick casually but **** when in sexual situations
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: lawlya on March 23, 2015, 12:54:08 pm
@Ghosty: Yeah, I can see that :D Same here, if I stop to think about it.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Ahiku on March 23, 2015, 05:09:08 pm
Quote from: AoYokai
But... but... everything you write is so amazing Q.Q

Aww, thank you! ;_; I should tell this my stupid brain. I'm always thinking: "This sounds weird...I bet this is a mistake... omg... OMG!" X'D I know I'm probably not that bad in...describing things and creating worlds. XD Thanks again.

@Vox
I really liked the sex scene in fateswap beyond... *_* It was pretty nice...and I think it was also quite unique...  I haven't read a scene like that before. ^^

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Ah, I also prefer c*ck... and not dick.
Hmmmmmm, other words for p*nis... maybe...dong, tube steak, willy, pecker, s*hlong, whanger, wang... Why do I know these words......and are they even correct? X'D
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Vox on March 23, 2015, 05:12:16 pm
@Ahiku OMG THOSE ARE ALL AWFUL XD
please never use those in a serious fanfiction. please.

Don't make me start a poll to see who prefers c*ck versus dick. Please don't. XD
I've heard some people theorise that the one you prefer is like the whole pop versus soda debate. Like, which one you're exposed to more. C*ck sounds way more vulgar to me, whereas dick is just mildly so.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Ahiku on March 23, 2015, 05:20:05 pm
@Vox
I'll never use them... they are horrible! X'DDD I'm even uncomfortable with words like "member"... Arousal is better... or if needed lenghts... it's still better than most of the other options. ;_; One day I would like to write a smut scene without using these kinds of words.

Hmm... I don't know what's more vulgar. And no, we don't need a poll. X'D
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Yuneyn on March 24, 2015, 05:31:28 am
"tube steak" - I laughed way too hard at this one.

Seriously, does anyone say that?

On a more serious note, I agree with lawlya, it's just horrible to read in your native language. I don't think I could read smut in French without screaming and hiding my laptop under my bed. Maybe the fact that I'm not native English helps me get some distance when reading/writing?

As for ...male parts words... I think I only used like p*nis once in a fic, but usually I try to avoid mentioning them directly because it makes me feel incredibly awkward lol.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Vox on March 24, 2015, 11:26:41 am
@Yuneyn What do monolingual non-English speakers do then? O.o

I like smut in French (sorry Yuneyn). The problem is there isn't a lot of it in my fandoms, so the odds of finding anything good is pretty small. I found this one website with a grand total of 3 French No. 6 fics. One had no smut, one was just kissing, and the third one was a full-blown ****. I was not pleased. =.=


Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Yuneyn on March 24, 2015, 12:26:02 pm
Haha I don't know, I was just reacting at what was said on the first page, that maybe anyone reading smut in their native language will cringe a lot more?

Oh and there's no need to apologize, everyone has different tastes! But yeah, I'm afraid that there aren't many French fics... not only for No.6, but I'm guessing most fandoms. Maybe... when you're able to write in English you'll just switch to it because then you'll touch a wider audience. So probably a lot of people do this. (I did look one up in the No.6 fandom, just to see if it even existed, and it used the French novel names in the summary... "Aster", "le Rat", "Loueur-de-chiens", so I wanted to die and closed the tab)

Sorry for the off topic - I'll stop now!
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: lawlya on March 24, 2015, 12:33:37 pm
I actually haven't had a problem with the language when I wasn't reading English fanfictions. I think it's just ... you get to know the English words in a better (aka more sensual or erotic) context than the German ones. I just associate less awkwardness with them than with German ones.

And then there are expressions in English that can't be conveyed in German in the same way but fit the image in my head a lot more and that's just frustrating xD On the other hand, I had the same situation when translating from German to English in a non-smut context but well ...
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Vox on March 24, 2015, 12:49:44 pm
For me as a native English speaker and language/psychology nut, this is totally fascinating. It's like you guys are saying that for you, English is almost the natural language of sex or erotica, even though it's not your first language and it's harder for you to use/understand in every other context. Maybe I'm reading into that too much but that's what I'm hearing. I should do a study about it XD

I guess, because the words have fewer cultural connotations for you, it's easier for you to project your own notions of sex onto them? Maybe?
I'm... gonna stop nerding out now XD

I like French smut because I love French in general, lol. I think it sounds much more beautiful than English in just about every context. Plus I like that you can use "sexe" for genitals. That probably sounds weird XD

@Yuneyn yeah I haven't read any more No. 6 fics in French in a long time, lol. I have done a little better with the NGE fandom. (Kawoshin ;A;)
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Yuneyn on March 24, 2015, 12:58:28 pm
For me this is not only limited to smut. I used to read fics in French when I was 16 because the internet was starting and I didn't follow many English sites. But as of now I would absolutely be unable to read a fic in French. Something would seem off, smut or not.

But I may not be a good specimen for this kind of study lol- I live through the day in English. My phone, laptop, video games, I set everything to English. I read books in English, I talk to myself in English, and sometimes I mix up words when I speak French (my husband never misses an opportunity to make fun of me ahem)

So... I don't know. But this is an interesting topic maybe we should split this one to another place? (I'm on my phone in the car so I can't do much - I'm actually impressed that I managed to write this much without getting p*ssed at the phone keyboard lol)
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: lawlya on March 24, 2015, 01:17:15 pm
@Vox: I think that's actually pretty true. At least for me. It's not like I didn't read smut in German before (I did before I started reading English fanfiction) but I got to know the words used in smut through English fanfiction so I naturally associate the words with those connotations.
Yes, do a study about that. Good idea.

*nodding along* Yep, I think so too :)

Luckily, I can still read fanfictions in German though it's a really ... odd feeling xD But yeah, English is pretty much my fanfiction language. Though I always liked how English sounds anyway. It's my favorite language I think ^^
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: AoYokai on March 24, 2015, 01:43:03 pm
Fun fact: Hebrew has about 3 different words to describe men with big balls. All three are fairly old, tho, so they aren't used anymore.
Fun fact #2: Don't translate 'I know this person' literally if you ever attempt to speak Hebrew. The correct translation is 'I'm acquainted with that person', using 'know' would mean you slept with them.

There are very little fics written in my language and they're all in fandoms I don't like too much so I don't need to deal with these problems ^^
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Kai on June 29, 2015, 01:06:12 pm
I did not know what to expect when I started reading this thread, but I like how you actually included the language thing.
I'm fairly native to German like Ahiku (my dialect is just weird enough that many Germans don't understand) but I didn't quite experience it the same way. Actually, to me it depends a lot what language I started a story with or which language I'm used from watching/reading the canon.

And that includes the smut. If I'm used to think of a story in German, I'm fine with fanfictions in German, but it sounds all wrong to me if they are English in my head.

... basically though, I find most German things awkward because the internet just offers way more information/subs in English. (I prefer watching anime in Japanese with subs. I rarely like any dubs be they English or German...)

Smut in general though... I don't read much, I don't like most words in either language and most stories just are too vulgar for my taste it kind of robs the flow of a story... to me at least. The smut stories I like are (to me, again) somewhat like pieces of art, because they manage to balance getting the point across without verbally over-painting the scene and yet... barely use any of the very graphic descriptions.
It's what I try to do when I get to write smut in an RP. (Which... I don't think I've ever done officially.)

And on a completely different approach on the story. Good smut (personal opinion, though) always involves a couple that is of more or less equal importance. I don't like the whole seme/uke thing. One being timid and shy and the other one strong. I just... like healthy relationships opposed to destructive ones. I'm not saying that a healthy one can't have problems or trouble. But with the seme/uke thing... one is always dependent on the other in some way and the give and take just doesn't seem balanced. But that may be just me.

It's why I like Shion and Nezumi though, it may seem at first that Nezumi is the stronger one and handles all, but Shion gives back so much. And he wants to be Nezumi's equal too, not just the little duckling needing/wanting all the help.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Ghosty on June 29, 2015, 05:40:46 pm
@Kai I really understand where you're coming from on the seme/uke thing. I've seen a lot of nezushi fanfictions try and use that kind of relationship with them, even though that's the exact opposite of what they are. Not to say their relationship is perfect, but they certainly aren't the time to take the seme/uke kind of relationship to any part of their life.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: lawlya on June 30, 2015, 12:32:29 am
I distanced myself from this stereotype before even getting into No.6 but even so, I never felt it quite fitting for these two either way. They're just too ... codependent? None of the two is particularly in charge of their feelings or passion or composed enough to fit into those roles (with all the leading vs. being led stuff going on there). The only difference would probably be in experience - and even that's open for debate!
And Shion's just too active and straightforward to fit the stereotype xD Him laying back and letting Nezumi do all the work? With his adorable admiration and love for him? NEVER!
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Ahiku on June 30, 2015, 07:11:17 am
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And Shion's just too active and straightforward to fit the stereotype xD Him laying back and letting Nezumi do all the work? With his adorable admiration and love for him? NEVER!

Yeah, I think so, too. XD He was the first one who kissed Nezumi, after all. I have to say it really surprised me in the anime, because you automatically think about that seme/uke cliche when you watch the anime. ^^ Ok, it also surprised me because I didn't know that there are BL elements in this story, since it was just tagged as sci-fi. X'D But normally, you'd think Nezumi is the one who has to kiss him first, but this is a stupid way of thinking. <_< I'm glad Shion kissed him and that he wants to be equal.
Their equality is one of the main reasons why I love this series so much. ^^ I'm super sick of yaoi and other BL stories and it's super rare that you find really good ones.

Ah, I also think Nezumi would rather freak out when they have their first time, because... OMG too many feelings and we all know he's always scared when it comes to Shion. Even if he'd be the active part because he want to be the one in control of everything, I think Shion would guide him, he would take him by the hand and try to still his fears. Ok, this is just my headcanon, but I think they are like that.

I really don't like all those nearly r*apes in other BL mangas, for example Junjou Romantica (although I have to admit I like Junjou Romantica and that Hatsukoi stuff; the stories have a weird atmosphere I enjoy a lot XD But well, the love scenes suck a lot. x.x It's always so similar and also some kind of r*ape in my opinion.

Ah, do you know "Junko"? I think some of her BL manga are not that bad. ^^ I like this one a lot:
http://mangafox.me/manga/recipe_no_oujisama/
(Although I think the other two characters are more interesting XD But KeiKei and Shohei are also very equal in my opinion. Neither of them is overly girly or overly manly... it's a nice little story. Nothing too deep, though. Still better than a lot of other stories.



Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: lawlya on June 30, 2015, 10:44:54 am
Okay, this is kinda off-topic but yeah, you're right about the stereotypical BL manga. Though I try not to think too much into it because well ... I'm someone who doesn't want to pick everything apart because of problematic content. I really like Ten Count but you could also says it falls into the spectrum of mangas you described ^^" Same thing with Love Stage (though I only read the first volume so far).
And are you kidding, I LOVE Junko o.o I read through all her mangas on mangahere and you should definitely try a few of them if you don't know her yet! She has some of the cutest stories I read so far!
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Kai on June 30, 2015, 11:19:24 am
Ah, you guys phrased it nicely and just proven all over that I found a good forum. I try not to judge too much either, but I just... I can't feel comfortable that much if people like things that are practically r*pe... Because some of the things I encountered weren't 'almost' anymore. It's just wrong if things get forced... and it's not cute if someone's too shy and just needs a push because they say no due to 'shyness'. That's just... a fat no for me, too. (Guess I can't not judge in this case.)

And it's not cute either if someone finds out the love the person they've been assaulted by after all... that's called stockholm-syndrome.

So to conclude again, that is not the kind of smut I want to read and I can't understand why anyone would want to write or read it. Unless it is a serious story that doesn't glorify such things.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion
Post by: Ahiku on June 30, 2015, 01:22:12 pm
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Okay, this is kinda off-topic but yeah,

Yeah, you're right... X'D But... well, I guess we can also speak about smut in general...^^ Reading smut, writing smut, smut in manga, anime and books... Or should we open a new thread for that? I guess we don't have that much to say about smut-writing anymore, that's why the thread is so old. X'D  Ah, I know, I'll just change the thread and we can talk about smut in general. o.o

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So to conclude again, that is not the kind of smut I want to read and I can't understand why anyone would want to write or read it. Unless it is a serious story that doesn't glorify such things.

Right. >.<
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion // And also general smut discussion
Post by: Ghosty on July 01, 2015, 01:26:49 am
oooh I love Recipe No Oujisama! I did read a lot of Junko's other work, though I found some of it very... simplistic? though a lot of it was very short, so you would kindof have to be.

If this is a general smut/bl/whatever discussion now, has anyone read Hana No Mizo Shiru? It's by far my favorite BL out there.
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion // And also general smut discussion
Post by: lawlya on July 01, 2015, 03:37:01 am
My best friend started scanning it for me a while ago but never finished but as far as I read it, I really liked it. It's so cute >w<
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion // And also general smut discussion
Post by: Ahiku on July 01, 2015, 07:10:45 am
@Lawl

I think you can read it here as well: http://mangafox.me/manga/hana_no_mizo_shiru/v01/c001/3.html
I think I've read it. o.o But I'm not sure about it. At the moment, I don't really like BL manga...or manga in general x_x I don't read them, apart from No. 6.

Ah, do you know Kotetsuko Yamamoto? Some of her works are good. (Ok, some of them are pretty stereotyped and run-of-the-mill...but I really like "Honto Yajuu"
Ok, it's also seme/uke, but Aki is not such a shy and "nooo, I don't want that" uke...and he's super cute (he can look cute, although he's mostly rather embarrassing XD But I think his character is cute...)
And he really wants to sleep with Tomoaki. X'D They are so cute together. I thought it's very refreshing, because it's rare that you can read stories about a working relationship. Haha, they are so **** and always sleeping with each other. X'D

Most of the time you just read about two people becoming a couple and I really hate triangle relationships. x_x And the way they handle women in some BL manga... o_O They are evil. X'D Or something. It's always a little sad.
I guess that's also one of the reasons why some people don't like Safu. <.<

Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion // And also general smut discussion
Post by: lawlya on July 01, 2015, 07:17:27 am
Yeah, I know. But I started in German and it's no big deal to wait a bit either.
Ah, some manga to check out then ^^
Title: Re: Smut-writing discussion // And also general smut discussion
Post by: Ghosty on July 01, 2015, 12:29:55 pm
yes I have read Honto Yajuu! I do like it a lot. The aspect of that they got together at the beginning and were together for the rest of the series was very nice, as opposed to the typical "what is this feeling in my chest...?" bl manga that's so back and forth I like him I hate him.