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Title: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 21, 2014, 01:20:10 pm
Well, what could we do about it? Any ideas? :3
I thought that we could build a special force... it's definitely not something one person can do all alone.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 21, 2014, 01:53:44 pm
I think you're right - it's definitely not something one person alone should or could do. Unfortunately I severely lack any ideas ^^"

Unfortunately, I'm rarely in the tags as it is. I just barely have the time to browse them (the sourcing isn't even the problem most of the time). So, I don't know but is it possible to create a blog on tumblr with several people posting on it (like, everyone who wants to source now and then)? This way we could share the task to source art effectively since you could see what was already sourced by 'your' blog.

I found the idea good to ask the people to take down the art if the artist forbids the reproduction and sourcing art via reblogging as a link - hindering people to just keep on reblogging with the source added and encouraging the people who post those.

I already try to ask artists whether or not I'm allowed to repost their art on tumblr. I already reblogged some guidelines from a user how to write a message to japanese artists with a formal letter you can just reblog and add some minor changes (like names and such). Maybe we should spread them again?

I'm glad that you chose to do this via the forum, really. Though we're probably few people here than on tumblr, maybe it's reaching more people nevertheless.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 21, 2014, 02:14:39 pm
@Lawlya: That's a good idea. We should have a shared blog. Even if we start with just a few of us... it's still better than nothing. Maybe we can find some more people who want to join then...
Or ask if people wanna help from time to time.

Everyone should keep an eye on it... maybe we won't be able to find everything, but when we at least do something against it, it's just fine.

What about calling the blog: No6fanworkforce or something? XD Any suggestions?

Oh, when you have guidlines, please post them here... I think it's better to operate here.
You can also start a new topic... Guidlines and premade text sources we just need to copy then.

I think it should be simple and maybe even always the same one, saying: "You should delete this post immediately. Blabla" Whatever...

And if some people could ask for permission when we find new fanarts would be nice, too. Maybe there are 1-2 people who want to do this job.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 21, 2014, 02:28:28 pm
@Ahiku: Wow, thanks xD To be honest - I don't even know how shared blogs on tumblr work ... Like, do you have to invite somebody to be an admin or does he just need a password or ...? Do you know?
And yeah, even if we're just a few; something's getting done and it's not just one person shouldering all the work.

That's my opinion too. It's too much of a matter to expect to stop unsourced art all together but so long as the artists are credited even if it's not the original poster who does it, it's better than doing nothing.

God, I suck at names >.> Don't ask me; I'm fine with anything, really xD

Yeah, probably ... Adding the source shouldn't be much of a problem either but I'm not sure if the original posters on tumblr like it to be posted again. After all they either translated it themselves or asked friends.
Wait, if I open up a new topic, should I do it here in the Conference Room?

That would be a good idea. It would make the matter easier; you'd just have to add the sources manually and copy and paste the rest.

Preferably some that know Japanese or Chinese? Or someone who is confident enough in their talent with Google Translate xD
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 21, 2014, 03:03:13 pm
Ah, that's easy... one of us can just create a new blog... and then you can invite other people. You can give them administration rights, too. But I guess for most people it would be enough when they can write posts for that blog. (And then we should also reblog it there, if it's already on tumblr...)

Yes, just create a new topic here. I'll make it sticky.

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Adding the source shouldn't be much of a problem either but I'm not sure if the original posters on tumblr like it to be posted again.

Maybe we could find an easy way out and say that we won't accept posting art without asking in general. Just to keep it as simple and easy as possible. I'd would be a hassle when you have to research everything, to find out if the artist is ok with it or not. If we see unsourced art it's not ok. To be honest I would just demand to delete it and post the source of art, no matter if it's a pixiv or tumblr artist. Because it doesn't matter. And I think it's futile to do a big research to find the original post and tell them that they should reblog it directly from the tumblr artist. I mean they won't do it anyway... <,< But if the artist is on Tumblr... maybe we could message the artist and tell them he should contact the support. We can also have a text source for this where we just need to add the links. Fanmail should do it... something line: "Hello! Someone reblogged your fanart. Here's the link... We recommend you to contact support@tumblr.com"

Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 21, 2014, 03:15:55 pm
Ah, so you have to invite them. Good to know. Yeah, I thought about reblogging it there too because it's already there but maybe not too well known ^^

Okay, I'll try my luck and post the letters there with a source attached.

I would like that too. I mean, I find it incredibly sad when artists answer that they don't want their art reposted but I can understand them as well and respect that. Maybe knowing that it's gonna be posted to a sourcing No.6 blog would make them more comfortable.
Okay, I agree with this - delete unsourced art because the original post can still harm the artist by getting notes. If you got the permission or the artist states that it's okay to repost, then make a new post with the source. It's just copy and pasting from there, really.
I'd like to search for the original tumblr post if possible but you're probably right. Sadly. And that would be a good way to approach it. Tell the artist with a link to the post and if the reposter won't take it down the artist themselve can decide whether or not to contact the tumblr staff.

Okay, I'm off creating the new topic now. Let's see if I succeed xD
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 21, 2014, 03:47:33 pm
Ok, thank you :3 I think we can also post the link to source webpages there and our premade texts, to keep everything in one post/thread.

IDEAS:

- shared blog

Who wants to open it?
How should we call it?
Who wants to participate?
If we are several people, should we arrange duties? (For example one is doing the NezuShi tag, the other one the Shion tag etc.)

- just one note to keep things simple


Who can write a good note?

Since most people tend to ignore these kind of posts, anyway, we should keep it as simple as possible, I guess just telling them that they should delete it, that they'll harm the artist and the fandom and the actual souce will be fine.

- artist message, if the artist has a tumblr account


Anyone who wants to write it?

Also premade, so just copy and paste the link of your sourcing post. Something like: ""Hello! Another Tumblr user reposted your fanart. You can find the linke here: xxx If you want to remove it, we recommend you to contact the support team. (support@tumblr.com)"

Any other ideas? Wishes? Opinions? :3
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 21, 2014, 03:53:59 pm
Ah, thank you Lawl :3
That's great. I think it's really better to have it here in the forum, since you'll lose sight of it when you just have it on tumblr.

Oh... so if there's anyone who wants to ask other artists... that would be great.

@Lawl we should also check out Animexx. Maybe there are some nice fanarts we could share... or maybe even some other people who are using Tumblr. :3
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 21, 2014, 04:32:18 pm
- shared blog

Well, since you know how to do it ... I'd say you open it up.
I like the idea of duties. The first one's being covered should probably be the 'No.6'- and 'No. 6'-tags. Then 'NezuShi' and then the character tags. Maybe you'd even want to assign more than just one person to the main tags.

- just one note to keep things simple

How about something like this:
"Since you posted this art without a source, we kindly ask of you to delete this and ask the artist for permission to repost. Unsourced art shared without consent will harm the artist and ultimatively hurt the fandom too. The source of this art is:
Pixiv ID: [Link]
Artist: [Link]"
This way you can just copy the Saucenao information to the end of the text.

- artist message, if the artist has a tumblr account

That's already enough I think. Maybe adding something like "We/I'd (are we a collective conscience or not xD) like to inform you that ..." to make it sound more friendly ^^



So, you'd like to make a post linking to the forum on the blog? To make it easier?

@Ahiku: Yeah, you're right. We should totally do that xD I believe I once was in the fanart tag >.> Don't remember much though xD

Oh, and to everyone else who may read this: Please don't hesistate to speak up :) Me and Ahiku apparently just have too much freetime and are babbling too much xD I figured that a decent amount of posts that were already made might scare away some of you so I thought I'd might as well invite you - don't mind me too much ...
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 21, 2014, 04:56:49 pm
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Oh, and to everyone else who may read this: Please don't hesistate to speak up :) Me and Ahiku apparently just have too much freetime and are babbling too much xD I figured that a decent amount of posts that were already made might scare away some of you so I thought I'd might as well invite you - don't mind me too much ...

Yes, please join us. ^^

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So, you'd like to make a post linking to the forum on the blog? To make it easier?

Will do. But I think I'll do this when we've already some stuff done. I think it's better to show them that we really mean it. XD And not only saying we are planning on something. They can still join then... When someone want to join the force that person will get our important post. Even if that person doesn't want to be in the forum. ^^ I mean that's also possible. But somehow I don't think that many people want to do this kind of stuff.

Oh yeah, I like your text... if the others are ok with it, I think we can use it. Sounds good.

We also need a blog theme then. XD Someone who wants to do that?

Ok, if no one else wants to create the blog, I'll do it tomorrow. And now, we should our friends give a chance to answer here as well. ^^

Ah...and of course we are "WE" XD (Ok, I'm used to use we, since I always have to do this when I have to work e-mail stuff...) but it shows solidarity and that we're a team and no lone wolfs.

We could also call our blog No.6union or so... XD





Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Weisel on October 21, 2014, 05:07:19 pm
Maybe... call it the RestructuralCommittee? Or come up with something based on that. You know, since we're trying to rebuild a bit... That's my two cents, anyway.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 21, 2014, 05:15:59 pm
Uhh... that would be cool *-*
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 22, 2014, 03:54:35 am
Hi!!


Wow I did not check the forum last night so I didn't see that you already discussed all of this!
I'm all for reviving the fandom in any case, though I'm sure most of the former users of the forum have deserted it, so we'll need to advertise it again if we want more people to participate.


As for sourcing, your ideas are all pretty cool! I have made a Pixiv account one but to be honest I just favorited a bunch of Kingdom Hearts stuff and never used it again - don't know why. But I do have some time on my hands, so unless I find a job soon that ends up eating me I could totally help.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 22, 2014, 04:08:35 am
@Yuneyn: So you would ask some people if you find new fanarts?
Would you also help with one of the No. 6 tags? Just sourcing if you find something in the tag you're observing... I don't think it's too much work, when you just have one tag, like Shion or Nezumi.

I'll create the blog today and when I've a bit time left I'll draw a picture to promote everything. ^^ So that some more people might see it... (So I'm not posting a link but a pic, since I guess it will get more attetion like that...) Where we introduce our shared blog and invite them to join the forum if they want to help, too.

Where should we post them? On our shared account? I mean it could be a no. 6 blog for all of us... one where we share fanarts of non tumblr artists, where we source art... and we could also reblog links to some nice fanfictions (maybe once each week...ff or even ff of the day...)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 22, 2014, 04:16:10 am
If I find something new I'll ask, but to be honest I might not be using Pixiv that much. But I'll definitely help with one of the tags, so if I end up on Pixiv for sourcing I might see something new at the same time.

One thing that might be hard is that some artists deleted their work, and I'm not sure how we would know that... if we can't find the source image anymore it might make things harder.

As for opening the blog, I'm all for it, but shouldn't we wait for a few days... like until everything has calmed down a little? I'm afraid things are still warm as there are still posts about what happened on Tumblr. I don't know, I'm not sure it would be appropriate.

Oh and I think posting on the new blog would be better, and then we'll all reblog it on our personal blog. I have less than 400 followers but who knows^^
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 22, 2014, 04:33:04 am
Well, let's source as good as we can... when we can't find the source we can also write: "This picture isn't source and the source doesn't excist anymore. When you can't source it, don't upload it."
That's better than nothing.

Yeah, we can wait a couple of days. But we could already start it as a normal blog and start to reblog some no. 6 fanarts that are already sourced.

Ah, I don't have even 100 followers on my personal blog... but I don't really want to post other fanarts on my own artblog anymore.  (But I'll post advertisement for the forum there...)

So then...maybe starting next week or so? I mean we can still plan a couple of things first... ^^
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 22, 2014, 04:38:35 am
Oh yes, when I spoke about reblogging it to our own blogs I was speaking about the advertisement first. I didn't expect you to reblog everything to your artist blog^^ I know you want to keep it for your own art.

Next week sounds good... new week, new era?^^ And also it can give us time to plan a few things. Like if we also want to advertise for the No.6 Days every month, etc.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 22, 2014, 05:08:18 am
Okay, the lenghty reply will come once I'm home. Just wanted to say:
@Ahiku: I think you meant 'reposted' rather than 'reblogged' when informing a tumblr artist in the Guidelines ^^
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 22, 2014, 05:17:31 am
@Yuneyn: Yeah :3 Doing some advertisement stuff is ok. I think I can reach at least some people then. I don't have as many followers as elanra, but quite a few on my artblog...

But maybe there's someone who has more? I dunno o.o Let us know, dear anon! ^^

@Lawl: Oh, thank you. o_o I don't know, I've always issues with those two words. XD I'll change it.

Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 22, 2014, 10:32:28 am
Okay, here's the promised lengthy reply to everything that happened while I was away xD

@Ahiku: I have faith that we'll be enough people in the end xD And I suck at blog themes, so sorry, no help from me regarding that ...

Yeah, you're probably right about the 'we'-thingy (Yay, I'm part of a collective being xD)

I'd say we post the reposted arts on the shared account too. That way we have also an art posting blog and maybe more people would volunteer to help out.

I doubt I have more followers than you (or at least, most of them probably aren't into No.6 enough to really help sourcing). But so long as other people can reblog it and spread the word, it should be okay, no matter which blog it posts in the end, right?



@Weisel: I agree with Ahiku, your name for the blog is really great.



@Yuneyn: I'll advertise too! (Read: I'm gonna reblog any post regarding this new blog and the forum.) I have a Pixiv account too and already bookmarked several artists and such so I could help out with asking for permission :)

Most sources of deleted art are available with Saucenao. If you follow the link to Pixiv it just tells you that either the artist deleted the art (or their whole account) or marked it as privat. Though I think we should still add something like that, like Ahiku suggested.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 22, 2014, 11:05:04 am
Thanks for your reply, Lawl. I've already started a blog with that name to make sure no one else uses it XD I mean... who knows. oO. But just like Yuneyn said I guess it's better to wait a couple of days and start to post things there starting next week. I just thought I could start it already to prepare everything. (Not that anyone knows that this is our blog, especially when nothing's there at all XD)

If you see any uncourced art until then we could source them on our own blogs. I did this today. Maybe you guys could keep an eye on your tracked No. 6 tags if there's anything unsourced...

Until next week I'll draw a picture for our blog which will also be the advertisement picture and I'll also try to find a nice theme. Something simple will do it... I mean we don't need that much stuff.

I need your e-mail adresses to invite you. Lawl, I'll take the one in your profile summary. I have yuneyn's... and @weisel, is that email adress in your summary here ok?

Yeah, maybe it should be more like a shared No. 6 blog in general. We could also post links to fanfictions once in a while... repost fanarts (of course just when we have the permission)... so that more people who like No. 6 will follow us. And to lighten things up a bit...

I also though about something like "Blog of the week"... but I'm not sure if I want to do this on my own blog... because I could reach more people since our blog is still brand-new...but maybe we could also use our No. 6 blog to introduce other No. 6 blogs (or at least blogs who have something nice...concerning No. 6)... each week another one... for example: iwatch-theworld... When you want to want to know more about Safu, it's the best blog....Just go and ask her... and then the next week... maybe shitshionsays... a funny blog about...oh what kind of surprise - **** shion says! 
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 22, 2014, 11:25:56 am
Ah I've seen the blog, thanks for creating it^^

About the advertisement, are you thinking about just an image or also a short text explaining what exactly we are doing?

Blog of the week sounds good. Or maybe it could be an "of the month" category, not sure we can do it week after week. We should avoid putting too much pressure on ourselves from the start or we'll just burn out. A monthly suggestion post would be fine... like one blog, one fanfiction, one AMV, one fan art, something like that. (Like for the fan art it could be one that go reposted in the shared blog and got the most notes during the last month?)




Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 22, 2014, 11:35:30 am
Yep, I already received your invitation :) I don't mind to wait until next week or so. I think it's probably better, just like Yuneyn said. Let it all cool down a bit and then we can start up this whole thing and make it known on tumblr.

I think it's a good idea to promote fanfictions we enjoyed =) This way, people will have something good to read should they search for something ^^ And it's also good to keep track on the newly posted fanfictions.

I agree with Yuneyn. We should slowly develope the blog and add new content bit by bit. Maybe we'll be more people until then and it's not gonna be too much work to keep so many little things rolling ^^
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 22, 2014, 01:17:36 pm
Thanks for your answers... :3 I've opened another thread where we can discuss about it. In the end it's just needs a bit preparation. Once things are done we won't have that much work. Especially when all people who share this blog help a bit... especially concerning sourcing.

I think for the casual No. 6 day it's enough to have one advertisement pic x text post... we can reblog it each month as signal boost. That's not that much work at all. And it's not just about creating new stuff then, but also reblogging more No. 6 stuff than usually... post some quotes or metas or whatever. So it's practically no work for No. 6 day... except doing something for No. 6 day.

Then our "best things of the month"... I don't think it's too much work. We just have to decide what's the best... write 2 nice praising sentences about it... I'll prepare a banner and stuff we can use each time, so that it's kinda uniform each month.  That shouldn't be too much work.

So the main thing is unsourced art and then a bit work when we have a special event. ^^ I think that's enough. Maybe we can do more if more people want to help, too. But I think that's a proper offering.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Curiousscarletteyes on October 22, 2014, 03:17:45 pm
*waves a tiny little flag* I wanna help source if I can! I mean, I know my blog is a roleplay blog but I can still reblog advertisements and other things to help out a bit (It's become more of a No.6 blog since I've been rping less). I've got a decent amount of followers that will be able to see it so that could help us. I really like all the things going on here and am not sure what else to add.

I like the shared blog and the notes that Lawlya and Ahiku put up to help us ask artists for permission. I also like the fact there there are tiny messages regarding sourcing and taking down art as well~
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 22, 2014, 03:25:47 pm
Okay, then I'm moving (sounds kinda odd xD).

Yeah, if you put it like this, it doesn't sound like much work at all. Think we could handle this ^^ Okay, I'll look at the new thread now :)

@Curiousscarletteyes: Glad, you want to help out :D That's awesome! (Would have never thought so many people would volunteer to source art ^^)



Oh, yeah! What just came to my mind - are we planning to introduce a uniform tagging system? Would be easier for followers and us. (I don't know if this is even a topic we need to talk about but I thought I might as well ask ^^")
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 22, 2014, 04:15:51 pm
@curiousscarletteyes: (*_*) Yaaay! I've sent you an invitation. ^^
Thanks for offering your help. When we're more people everything will be easier and faster and less work for every single person.

@Lawl: Oh yeah, why not. ^^ Why don't you write a new post in the guidline thread? :3 Don't think we have to discuss about the tags... XD We just should know which tags we should use then.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 23, 2014, 03:55:17 am
Yay for a new tagging system!
I guess we need obvious tags, like for Nezushi, and the other characters (all of them, or do we stick to Nezumi and Shion?). And also a sourcing tag... what else?

Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 23, 2014, 10:25:06 am
Okay, I'm gonna try the tagging system now xD Tell me if I forget something important ^^"

Yep, character tags, ship tags (mostly NezuShi and SafuKashi I guess), both No.6 tags, a sourcing tag, a mod tag for posts that consider the blog and the people using it ... maybe a short rec tag for anything that we recommend. And since it's always a pain with tumblr fanmail (the 'You must follow this person'-thingy) I thought about adding a stolen art tag too and just inform the artists via the new system of tumblr ... (You know, the 'Jemand hat dich in einem Post erwähnt'-thing ... Don't know how tumblr calls it in English; my mails are mostly German ^^")

Okay, gonna post that in order now and as I said - tell me, if you want to have a tag for something or don't like a tag or something, I'm gonna edit it then :)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 23, 2014, 11:25:50 am
@Lawl thanks for your effort! :3

Hmmm, I think we also need a tag for our event stuff. No. 6 Day, the other events (but I guess we have to decide them when it's time for them XD), then our fanwork of the month section...

I'm done with our blog. ^^ It's just empty, that's why it's looks a bit strange... We'll also use the banner for our first posting there, when we explain everything... (Hey... Is there someone who can write a nice text? XD)

http://restructuralcommittee.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 23, 2014, 11:31:14 am
God, it looks perfect, Ahiku <3~

Okay, gonna add the event tags then ^^ (About the text ... Some points that have to be included in it would be nice - makes it easier to come up with something ^^")
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 23, 2014, 11:37:29 am
OMG the blog looks absolutely wonderful!!!
Thank you for your work and the amazing banner :)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 23, 2014, 11:44:26 am
Thanks ^-^ @Lawl and Yuneyn

Tomorrow I'll do something for our "Bla of the month" stuff. I thought about a nice logo and a little NezuShi pic, namely Shion's coronation. Nezumi puts a crown on Shion's head. Something in that direction. (Or any better ideas? XD I don't wanna decide everything alone.)

And then something nice for our monthly No. 6 day. (But I don't have an idea what kind of motive we could use... o.o° Any ideas? Hmm...maybe drawing and writing NezuShi or something...)

@Lawl... mmmm, we should say what we intend to do... sourcing, trying to upload no. 6 fanarts with permission... monthly No. 6 day... No. 6 events... that we also have a forum and that other people should feel free to join and help us. That we invited them to join us... That it's just a No. 6 blog. For fans, with fans... something like that.

But not toooo long. XD

After that we'll also introduce our monthly stuff post, I think about just posting the banner, introducing the project and asking people to send their suggestions. (So we also need text for that thing.)  Then we can have our first recommendation post when November is going to end. And in the meantime we can reblog No. 6 fanarts (I think it would be nice to have as many No. 6 fanarts on our blog as possible, posted with artist name, so that it's easier to find things later), source, or try to repost something with permission.

We have also tracked tags in this blog... but I didn't use them yet. But if we want to organize stuff it might come in handy... for example a tagged site for events, a tagged site just for "of the month"...
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 23, 2014, 12:23:47 pm
God, I'm no good with ideas ... Coming up with something like a motive is really hard >.> Say, do you want to draw something for every category? Because I'd think that Nezumi would probably be best to present the "Best fanfiction of the month" ... Blog would probably be Shion ... and Art ... maybe Rikiga xD I don't know why I think of him though >.> (Or Art for Nezumi and Fanfictions for little Kalan and Riko ^^)

I'm horrible at introducing anything ... I know you write amazing texts for occasions like that though ^^"
Ah! I tried and it sounds horrible ... I'm sorry OTL Anyone able to write a decent text that includes those topics?

Ah, you want to add the artists names in the tags? Because Pixiv artists mostly have Japanese names, would you use Google Translator to use the latin alphabet?
Okay, about the text for the "Best of the Month":
"Hey guys! We decided to monthly present to you fanfictions, fanart and blogs that stood out in the fandom. Maybe you'd find someone new to follow or a new favorite artist? More good fanfiction to read which you haven't noticed yet? But to do this, we need your help. Please suggest to us your favorite artists, blogs and fanfictions. Or draw our attention to new people we didn't notice yet. We'll present the fruits of those suggestions to you at the end of the month - and save the other suggestions to work with them. So keep voting for your favorite!"
Man ... I tried so no one should criticize me xD I'm open for any changes. Wouldn't even mind if you'd find a better text, really ^^"
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 23, 2014, 12:42:46 pm
@Lawl: ;_; Maah... ok I'll try it later XD Or tomorrow.. just can't think right now. It's so cold in here. >,< Haha XD But your text isn't that bad. o.o I'll see if we can change it a little bit, later.

Ah, ok, I just thought I'd draw something in general... but it might be great to have little banner for everything like a headline and then we can post our links inbetween. I think that would look nice. I'll think about it tomorrow.

But for the first post when we introduce it, we just need one pic.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Curiousscarletteyes on October 23, 2014, 12:51:47 pm
@Lawlya: That text is pretty good! owo I mean. . .I can try writing something too. ekfhvgbfdzhjklsrgjnsfdngrgtrf.

@Ahiku: the banner is beautiful! ;-; Your art is always lovely.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 23, 2014, 12:57:05 pm
I like the text!! ^^

I can probably try to write something tomorrow, now it's dinner time and all. (Though I don't promise because apparently a friend of mine is visiting her family in Lux tomorrow but she's terrible at keeping me posted so it's possible that tomorrow morning she'll send me a message like "hey, let's do something") But if I'm home, I'll try!

What texts do we need?
- Event days (No.6 Day)
- Monthly Recs
- Blog announcement

Anything else?
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 23, 2014, 01:49:11 pm
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What texts do we need?
- Event days (No.6 Day)
- Monthly Recs
- Blog announcement

I think that would be enough. Those are the most important ones. :3
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 23, 2014, 01:56:56 pm
@Ahiku: Ahaha, but I tried, really! I'm so sorry that you have to do it again u_u
Yeah, change it all you want, really. I'm no good with official texts ... Especially not in English.

I didn't plan to cause you more work ^^" It was just ... you asked for ideas xD So, I just thought I might as well mention this possibility for more than one uniform banner.



@Curiousscarletteyes, @Yuneyn: Thank you very much OTL I still find it horrible but maybe it's just because I wrote it? Who knows ...
That would be really great - the more the merrier.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 23, 2014, 02:54:58 pm
@Lawl, oh no, I like that text. :3 Thank you for that. There are just some things I wouldn't write like that, like "stood out"... Because it's not really about that... I mean, we'll also share old stuff that comes out of the woods. XD And it's good when several people write something... we can use the best parts of each text then. ^^

Ah... here's my suggestion, feel free to change it. XD

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In our rubric “fanworks of the month” we will present and recommend No. 6 fanfictions, fanarts and interesting blogs to you.  Maybe that’s your chance to find someone new to follow you haven’t noticed yet, more good fanfictions to read or an upcoming favorite artist! Who knows? ;D
But to do this, we need your help. So you guys are on the spot!
What’s your favorite No. 6 related blog? What’s your favorite fanart or fanfiction?
To participate you can submit (link to our submit page) your suggestions directly on our blog or you can visit our forum (link to our forum).
We’ll present the “fanworks of the month” at the end of each month and save the other suggestions for later use.
So keep voting for your favorite!

I've opened the submit page! Here: http://restructuralcommittee.tumblr.com/submit
So, please tell me... did you get the message on Tumblr, too? I dunno how it works when it's a shared blog... if everyone gets the message or just the admins or just the person who opened the blog.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 23, 2014, 03:02:47 pm
I didn't know how to quite put it so people would understand ^^" So it's good you point that out xD Yeah, let's build ourselves an own little Frankenstein's Monster ;)

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Maybe that’s your chance to find someone new to follow you haven’t noticed yet, more good fanfictions to read or an upcoming favorite artist like that!
I would leave out the 'like that'. I feel like it somehow doesn't fit into the sentence ...

Other than that, your text is perfect like always. Maybe it's just experience from writing letters to customers? I'd buy anything from you, really xD
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 23, 2014, 03:08:54 pm
Okay ^^ I changed it.

Lol really? XD I normally just write declines... like: "We are sorry to inform you, but you won't get any money back. Have a nice day." X'D

Hmm, ah, Lawl... did you get a message on Tumblr that's directed to the rc blog? I dunno if I'm the only one who gets those (because I tested the submit thing, you can submit links... since you can't sent them via ask...for those who don't wanna come here.)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 23, 2014, 03:28:20 pm
The text is great!!
And I received the blog suggestion^^

Ah just one thing, on the submit page, you wrote "suggenstions" instead of suggestion^^ Just a small typo ;)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: listenforthelove on October 23, 2014, 03:29:51 pm
Wow, this thread got super long! I really have nothing useful to add rather than WOW that banner looks absolutely gorgeous, Ahiku, you did an amazing job! And I love the name, great suggestion from Weisel~

Really excited about this, even if I don't have a lot of time to be online during the day. I've mostly been going through the tag and through DeviantART to reblog fanart by the original artists themselves, I'm not sure if that's helpful but. Well. If there's anything I can do to help? (Like said, I don't have a lot of time during the day for now (until December I guess), but I will do my best)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 23, 2014, 03:44:22 pm
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Ah just one thing, on the submit page, you wrote "suggenstions" instead of suggestion^^ Just a small typo

That was no typo, that was my spirit of mischief to check out if you guys are paying attention. XD No really, the n isn't even close to e and s... What the heck XD

@listenforthelove: Thank you *_*

Ah, rebloging is just fine. ^^ Maybe you can also reblog it directly on the rc blog when we start to use it. I'll send you an email invitation to join the shared blog. As long as we all do a little bit it's ok... or if you accidentally discover unsourced art you can source it. XD We have text sources so it shouldn't take too long.

When my vacation is over and I've to work again I also won't have that much time... (that's why I try to prepare as much as possible now... ^^)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Curiousscarletteyes on October 23, 2014, 04:17:14 pm
I was going to write a text but then I read Ahiku's and now I highly doubt that I can top that. XD

But I was wondering if we should all take on aliases to differentiate the mods that are posting? It wouldn't matter when we're sourcing or creating something that has to do with the blog as a whole, but when answering questions or anything else that may arise that we all may do a bit differently I think it would be useful. Especially since we all don't type or think the exact same way.

It's not necessary, but just a suggestion that suddenly appeared in my mind! >w<

Oh, also Ahiku would rubric be the best word? Maybe it's because I've had so many education classes but I associate a rubric with a grading scale.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 23, 2014, 04:32:06 pm
@curiousscarletteyes

Yeah, I guess we can just answer the ask then and sign with our username then... or with a nickname. I guess I'd just use Ahiku. ^^

Oh, what do you suggest instead? :3 (And is the rest of the text ok? Or is there something weird or wrong? Prepositions? I suck when it comes to prepositions ^^° Could you also check the texts here, please? Since we'll be using them again and again...   http://no6.createaforum.com/conference-room/guidelines-and-text-sources-for-sourcing/?message=412)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Curiousscarletteyes on October 23, 2014, 05:15:12 pm
@Ahiku

Ah, that works too! ^ ^

As for a suggestion. . .I'm not sure. I don't really know what exactly we're trying to convey here. It wouldn't be a rubric but maybe. . .OTL I have no idea. I have to think of a word. Lol.

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In our rubric “fanworks of the month” we will present and recommend No. 6 fanfictions, fanarts and interesting blogs to you.  Maybe that’s your chance to find someone new to follow you haven’t noticed yet, more good fanfictions to read or an upcoming favorite artist! Who knows? ;D
But to do this, we need your help. So you guys are on the spot!
What’s your favorite No. 6 related blog? What’s your favorite fanart or fanfiction?
To participate you can submit (link to our submit page) your suggestions directly on our blog or you can visit our forum (link to our forum).
We’ll present the “fanworks of the month” at the end of each month and save the other suggestions for later use.
So keep voting for your favorite!

OTL I always feel horrible correcting people who don't speak it as a first language on grammar because I get the jist of the statement and- rjkgnssrjengrjnhdtr. But I don't mean to be insulting or anything like that! ;w; I just wanna help you guys learn.

Fanart is plural, so we wouldn't need the s :3 If we used fanworks, then we'd need it.
I believe fanfiction is the same way. We'd say: "I'm reading a fanfiction" or "I've read different fanfiction and-"
These two words are kinda like Anime. Both singular and plural.

That's could maybe be "it's?" It sounds a little better.

kjengrejgbsjerfkbesjrgbjseg. Instead of pointing everything out I rewrote it so that I don't clog up space ;-;

Revised:
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In our [we need another word here!] “fanworks of the month” we will present and recommend No. 6 fanfiction, fanart and interesting blogs to you.  Maybe [it’s] your chance to find someone new to follow [that] you haven’t noticed yet, more good fanfiction to read or an upcoming favorite artist! Who knows? ;D
But to do this, we need your help. So you guys are on the spot!
What’s your favorite No. 6 related blog? What’s your favorite fanart or fanfiction?
To participate you can submit (link to our submit page) your suggestions directly on our blog or you can visit our forum (link to our forum).
We’ll present the “fanworks of the month” at the end of each month and save the other suggestions for later use.
So keep voting for your favorite!

The other texts are good! The only thing I noticed in:
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Since you posted this art without a source, we kindly ask you to delete your posting.

Is that posting should be post! owo
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 23, 2014, 05:28:50 pm
@Ahiku Apparently that makes you eloquent xD

Ah, yeah. I forgot to mention ^^" I got it and wondered if it was a test :)



@Yuneyn I didn't even notice that.



@Curiousscarletteyes And I didn't notice the typo you mentioned either ... Good thing more than two people are reading over this ^^"
And don't feel bad about correction non-native speakers. That's why we ask all kinds of people to read over the texts we write xD To learn - so it doesn't come off as rude or anything like that. At least that's how I feel :)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Weisel on October 23, 2014, 09:46:05 pm
I feel awkward jumping into the conversation again, but is there anything I can do to help out? It seems like everything's really well managed and help isn't really needed, but I'm willing to do something if needed...
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 24, 2014, 03:37:22 am
Hi guys^^

I just thought of something regarding the forum and the members of the RC blog.
Wouldn't it be useful to have a private category of the forum, reserved to the admins of the blog, to talk strictly about blog administration and stuff?

Of course, any new project could still be presented here, as a means to gain new followers... But I'm guessing that if we want to talk about other stuff (such as the top3 of the month, or how to answer asks if we ever got hate or things like that, or other things I wouldn't know about yet... could also be a little guidelines for admins so that anyone joining us would know better what we're all about)

I don't know, I guess it could be useful. I'd create a "Restructural Committee" status for forum members who would also be admins (I guess all of us who chatted here in the last few days are part of this project, right?) and make the new category available only to us.

Let me know what you think!

And @Weisel, don't heistate to jump in^^ I guess there are still a few texts missing if you want to try and write one, I might try it later too but right now I need to go buy something for lunch :p

(Also I'm all for being corrected too, I just want to get better so it's always good to know^^)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 24, 2014, 06:21:55 am
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Fanart is plural, so we wouldn't need the s :3 If we used fanworks, then we'd need it.
I believe fanfiction is the same way. We'd say: "I'm reading a fanfiction" or "I've read different fanfiction and-"
These two words are kinda like Anime. Both singular and plural.

Thank you so much @Curiousscarletteyes
You don't have to feel guilty, and I think nobody thinks that it's insulting. ^^ I didn't know that fanwork and fanfiction are the plural form, for example. (But Fanworks is ok, right? The plural form is fanworks, not fanwork... o.o) Thanks for your help. I put the text in our guidline post and corrected the other mistake, too. ^^

Ah, btw... would section be a better word? I thought about a section of a newspaper... Something like a column... since it should be something like that. Each "section" will get a banner we'll use when we post something for that topic. Maybe we'll have other stuff in the future... Ahh... I hope you can understand what I try to say. LOL XD In German it's "Rubrik" and when I translate it with ddict I get this: http://www.dict.cc/?s=Rubrik
(o.o)

@Weisel: There's a lot you can do. If you've any ideas, just let us know. We all are very eager and motivated at the moment. And I guess some are a bit too dominant (like me... I'm sorry, guys... It's just...I'm so full of ideas and I wanna plan on everything at the same time and immediately... I start to scare myself LOL XD) Please don't be shy... let us know what you think, what you want... or when you want to help. When more people help we can have more special projects. ^^ Is there a task you want? Like sourcing fanarts, asking Japanese people on pixiv if we are allowed to repost their art... Or another task you'd like to do? I don't want to give people tasks... (even if there are things we really have to do, like sourcing...) But I don't want to feel like a dictator. :3

@Yuneyn:

Oh yes, please! :3 That's a very good idea! Right, there are some things that should stay in a private part of the forum so that not everybody can see it. >,< (Also stuff like guidlines and so one...)



Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Yuneyn on October 24, 2014, 06:30:59 am
Okay, I'll open it then^^
I'll do it pretty quickly because - as I thought - my friend called me an hour ago to see if I wanted to meet this afternoon so I need to leave soon. So @Ahiku, don't hesitate to change things, it'll be pretty basic.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 24, 2014, 06:42:05 am
Thank you! Ok, I'll do this later. Or you can do this when you've a bit time left, there's no need to hurry. At the moment we all are RC people. So it's enough when it's done until next week when we start the blog. ^^

I'll start to draw various banners today. ^^

Ah, have a nice day then! X3
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Curiousscarletteyes on October 24, 2014, 09:59:49 am
@Everyone You're all really incredible for being able to speak two languages so well ;w; <3 And are all wonderfully kind, fantastic people.

@Ahiku Fanworks can stay the way it is. That's fine :D Because there's "a work of art" when referring to one and then "works of art" when referring to more than one so it's good. I'm actually really glad we're all motivated and eager, and it's okay because you have lots of ideas and just want to get them all out there. I don't see it as dominant. You're just really inspired ;w;

Section is a good substitute! I understand what you're trying to say, don't worry xD. I just wasn't sure what to call our different sections. Sometimes whenever I need a word I blank and it's frustrating. Also, I looked up the definition to rubric and apparently it can be used as a section .___. But here we're all brought up knowing that it's a grading scale for a project so that association comes up.

@Weisel I agree! There is still lots to do and we can still use lots of help.

@Yuneyn I see that we all have our titles :D Thanks for creating another space we can discuss these things.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 24, 2014, 11:43:37 am
@Curiousscarletteyes: Aww ;_; *hugs you*

Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining, sensei!  Ok! Section then! :3 I'll complete our first text then.
Oh, I'm glad I'm not too dominant. >,< I've so many ideas at the moment... and I really hope that our blog will be a gain for the No. 6 fandom. We'll try our best!

Hmmm... we also need a text for our first blog entry. I'll think about it later. Or if you guys might think about it, too it would be fine. ^^

Btw., wenn do we wanna start? Right on Monday?
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Vox on October 24, 2014, 04:46:01 pm
Okay guys, since I was studying for a midterm this week, it seems I missed all the action!

I just wanted to let you all know, though, that I already run a Homestuck art blog, which routinely posts new art or photosets to the internet, as well as reblogging a lot of pre-existing stuff. SO, I have practice at this kind of thing, and I would be happy to help out with a No. 6 source blog. Actually, what I think I'd like to do is go through the tag and complain at people for not sourcing. That is a thing I can do.

TBH, I haven't read through all four of the other pages of this discussion. Could someone please summarize it for me? ^^;;
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Vox on October 24, 2014, 06:38:52 pm
Oh... by the way, may I please also be on the Restructural Committee? I would like very much to take part! I wasn't hear earlier in the week because of intense computer science studying...
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 24, 2014, 06:57:46 pm
Yeah, of course! :3 I've sent you an invitation. And as soon as I know how to put people in that CF group in our forum I'll put you in there so that you can see our private forum part. :3

A summary... Wait a second...

We have a blog: http://restructuralcommittee.tumblr.com/
We'll start to post things there next week, since we wanted to wait a couple of days until things have settled down on tumblr.

Our intention is to source stolen art, repost art with permission, reblog No. 6 art and links to fanfictions, but we also want to have our own stuff, like our monthly "fanworks of the month" where people can suggest their favorite fanfiction, fanart and blog (here or via submit on tumblr).

We're going to have a casual No. 6 Day each month and a couple of special events, for example Holy Days (Christmas).

And our second section will be RC Talk... I thought we could write those little omake things.

I thought it's important that we also do something. Not just reblogging or posting art that doesn't belong to us.

You can find guidlines (texts sources, tags, links) and the pictures in our private section. ^^

And I go and try to put you in the RC group now.   EDIT: Done! Please refresh! And welcome! :3
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Vox on October 24, 2014, 07:31:03 pm
@Ahiku thank you so much!! :D
I'm super excited to be a part of this you guys. So excite.

Okay, as someone who runs a high-output artblog, I gotta say this: the queue is our friend, and so are drafts. If we start building a stock of drafts now, then we'll always have something to post when we want to, even when things are slow. In order to do that, what I'm thinking is that we could go through really, really old and/or not-much-reblogged fanart and put it in the drafts. Also, I know we're all from different countries, so we blog about things at all hours of the day and night. If we stuck stuff in the queue, it would ensure a steady flow of posts no matter who is posting.

I could get on any of these things this weekend, if people want.

The other thing is, tags. We gotta establish some tag guidelines. I'm thinking, we need a cute tag for original contributions our blog outputs, and then everything else gets tagged by artist, and character or canon location, and special tags like AU or whatever.

Now this is just how I run my blog. But I've found that it's a pretty efficient system. This is just a suggestion. If people don't want to tag stuff, or they hate the queue or something, I'm not gonna get mad or whatever. Just a thought!

(Also, your previous reply to me made it sound like this should be talked about on the administration board, but I wasn't sure which thread to put it in? There doesn't seem to be one for tags yet! Gomen!)
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 24, 2014, 07:50:26 pm
You're welcome! :3 I'm glad! We're already 8 people, yaaay!

There's a tag list in the guidelines post:  http://no6.createaforum.com/blog-administration/guidelines-and-text-sources-for-sourcing/?message=463

But please feel free to open a new tag thread in the administration board.

Yeah, a constant flow of posts would be nice. :3 If you have time you can start to queue or stock of drafts. ^^
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: lawlya on October 25, 2014, 03:39:10 am
I totally agree - the queue is gonna be our best friend xD We'd just have to discuss how many posts per day should be posted by it.

Feel free to also modify the post and add your tagging ideas :) I never thought about having a tag for the original art posted by the blog but that would probably be a good idea ^^ Any suggestions then?
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Vox on October 25, 2014, 03:19:43 pm
Original art tag... hmm...

Well, my tag for original posts would be something like 'A No. 6 original' but that's not very exciting XD
'Fresh from Karan's bakery'

Hehe :3
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Weisel on October 25, 2014, 04:10:49 pm
I like that, especially since we have Karan as our fanart banner!
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Ahiku on October 25, 2014, 04:49:20 pm
Karan uses a new form of art - spreading dough on paper and baking it until it's burned.

Ah, I think it's a nice tag. I'll add it to our list in the guidlines post.
Title: Re: Unsourced art...
Post by: Vox on October 25, 2014, 05:43:19 pm
I added it to the tracked tags on the blog, and to the tag list page on the blog. =)