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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2015, 07:39:47 pm »
DID I HEAR HOGWARTS AU? Pardon me as I pop out of the woodwork.

I like the Shion analysis as a Gryffindor or a Hufflepuff, but I'm going to have to disagree personally. (SORRY)
I think Shion looks like a Gryffindor, but really is a Ravenclaw.

While Shion does grow into a strong young man who values love and family and has a lot of courage-- I can't see him wanting to be a Gryffindor.

Students are sorted when they're 11. Shion at age 11 is not looking to be a courageous monkey he's looking to expand (or explode) but not to be brave.

He kind of says so himself when describing why exactly he chose to take care of Nezumi; "I was no cold-blooded monster. But I also wasn't teeming in compassion and goodwill enough to extend a hand to anyone who was injured. I was no saint. I hated dealing with hassles and disagreements. But I'd taken this intruder in. "

When Nezumi asks why he of course pulls the 'you look like a little girl' card-- but what he's really thinking is:
"And your eyes were a strange color that I'd never seen before. And they drew me in."
(Yes yes I'm pulling THAT quote)  http://9th-ave.blogspot.com/2011/06/eng-novel-no6-v1ch1b.html

For Shion, as a young boy, his curiosity and attraction to Nezumi trumps his desire for self-preservation. He's not trying to be brave there, and he doesn't see his action as brave-- he's curious.

He does a noble thing, in saving Nezumi-- Shion is a good person. But he's a curious person before he's a brave person. So I'm smelling Ravenclaw off that.

ALSO, the sorting hat takes personal preference into account. For someone like 11 year old Shion who's kind of burnt out on humanity-- I can't see him wanting to be among the company of Gryffindor-greats. He doesn't see himself as nerve-y-- and I think would potentially think the opposite.

Also also, since the purpose of sorting is to allow growth in students, I can see Shion longing more to grow in knowledge more than grow in bravery. Shion is lacking in cleverness-- I see him as the type of person who really sees the box, but struggles with thinking outside of it due to his upbringing kind of shoving him in there. Ravenclaw while being the 'smart' house also is a house of self-expression and quirkiness (Ex: Luna Lovegood) so he definitely has some room to grow there. He is witty. He's got a sharp tongue in the novels, and thinks on his feet-- he's just rotten at expressing it-- something living in the Ravenclaw house would help him with a lot I think. So it's a really nice fit for him character-growth-wise as well as immediate character-wise.

I do agree with Slytherin Nezumi. I think he'd honestly be better suited for Ravenclaw, but with a tragic backstory (I think muggleborn Nezumi with parents killed by a house fire caused by a wizard, might be interesting to bring some of the No. 6 vs. Shion dynamics in... Though I'm REALLY digging part Veela Nezumi, jeez it's a toss-up) and being AGE 11-- I can see him wanting to keep himself nice and safe and dangerous looking. He's also a sharp guy and Slytherin would definitely help him grow. Though I'm not sure this growth would always be for the better since a lot of Nezumi's cunning and stuff is born from a dark place...but hey, it's what he'd ask for.


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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2015, 08:06:15 pm »
@secretagentfan thanks for showing up! that was really interesting!
i want to reply to all of it later, but i'm a bit busy at the moment, so let me just propose this for now:

we don't know much about how the veela are viewed by the wizarding world in canon. given their general attitude towards other magical creatures, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that they don't treat them very well, right? and if nezumi is actually half veela (instead of just 1/4 like fleur) then it's very possible he's gotten sh*t his whole life because of it. since there's not much about veela in canon (and this is an AU) we could easily make some really sad headcanon like half the veela got wiped out by wizards or whatever. because you're right, the nezumi-is-mad-at-where-shion-comes-from thing is important.

...what if he doesn't even go to hogwarts. what if he taught himself magic and lives in the shrieking shack, and then his life is really interrupted when werewolf!inukashi shows up in there one day.
too much of a stretch???

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2015, 03:43:07 am »
Hiii :d I've found this AU thread via tumblr too, thank you for sharing it!

I totally dig the idea of Nezumi being a Veela. They're known for being temperamental, beautiful, good at singing, fierce warriors. what more could you want?!
(source: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Veela)
there's also a tidbit on here about how if a Veela's hair is pulled out, they die or get horribly disfigured. So, what if one night, while Shion and Nez are hanging out, Shion accidentally pulls out a hair of Nezumi's and freaks out and Nezumi covers his face with his hands and screams... before bursting into laughter and says that since he's half (or quarter or whatever) Veela, he's not bound by that rule (and he's not even sure it's real in the first place).

I totally see Youmin as the DADA teacher!
and I actually kinda saw Rikiga as someone like Filch, where he's a squib and a caretaker of the school. He spoils Shion with candy from Hogsmeade. I just can't imagine him being a teacher at all... (That, or I'd put someone like Getsuyaku in the role of caretaker of the school and he keeps Inukashi's werewolving secrets or something. ;n;)

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2015, 05:56:34 am »
@secretagentfan: never apologize for essays, that was super interesting to read and I think you bring up a lot of very good points! It's very hard to sort someone definitely in one of four houses anyway. I personally always felt a bit opposed against Shion being in Ravenclaw because it's so easy: 'oh he's the smart one, so Ravenclaw'. If there's no motivation beyond that, I get a bit sad (because in that sense, Hermione should have been a Ravenclaw too, but she got sorted into Gryffindor regardless). But you brought up much more than just that, so I'm much tempted to agree despite my initial complaints.

Shion's curiosity is definitely his major characteristic, and also explains why he approaches people the way he does. Though he's more likely to think out of the box than some others in No. 6, he definitely needs help with that - living in the West Block helps there in canon. I'm just wondering in how far he craves knowledge over learning, if you catch my drift, and how far it'd influence Ravenclaw over another house. (I'm not sure if I even put that in the right words, never mind how relevant it is to the discussion, words how do I >_<.)
I am also forever in doubt in how far Shion is a genuinely kind person - because Nezumi is really quick to cut it down, to say he's all nice words and nothing else, but I still feel there's a strength in that. Not in all cases, but still. Considering Shion grew up in Chronos, I'd imagine that compassion and empathy aren't qualities he often got to pull out, but Shion still seems to possess them and showcasts them. Sure, he's curious too, but if it was just his curiosity, his treatment of Nezumi (and others later) might have been more sterile. He doesn't really seem to think he has to be nice to other people (e.g. Safu with her coat, though we just have Safu's judgment to go on that) - he just is? Does any of that make sense?

But you're also very right in bringing up that a house is for the next seven years and that it has to help you grow as a character. Luna Lovegood is an excellent example of someone you'd not immediately suspect in Ravenclaw, but gets sorted there anyway.
Hmmmm. Hm hm hm.


Hmm, can't we have both Veela!Nezumi and his parents being killed by a wizard? I'm not sure how much half-Veela (or quarter-Veela) counts towards being pureblood, so if you go with the 'No. 6 only wants really pure bloods' line, then he'd still have good reason to be so against them.
... Wait that's basically what @Vox said, I seem to have skipped your comment earlier. Uh, yeah, I agree XD; great point, we can do pretty much whatever we want with Veela (I don't think Pottermore pulled out a lot more on them, did it?). I mean, all we know for sure is that 1/8th male Veela is definitely possible (because Fleur and Bill had a son), so earlier in the bloodline should be possible too I'd say. Maybe rare, but that would still tie in nicely.


@lawlya: Rou as Transfiguration teacher is pretty excellent! Wasn't Dumbledore too before he retired as teacher? Somehow I see quite some parallels between the two tbh... With trusting the wrong people to make the right decisions and so on. Not sure how big a case you could make out of Rou trying to use Nezumi to change things the way Dumbledore did with Harry, but...


@Meopat: welcome here and thanks for joining in! Ohhh, I really like Getsuyaku as the caretaker, I dig it. Maybe he can get in trouble for keeping things a secret to mirror canon (but not too closely okay please?).
And thanks to your link, I realized that Veela hair makes a wand 'quite temperamental', hmmm. Interesting... (and assuming Fleur didn't murder her grandmother for her wand, that does seem to disprove that hairpulling thing, but I'm gonna guess most wizards wouldn't know XD)

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2015, 06:10:47 am »
Ahh, I want to share another headcanon:
Imagine Safu and Shion are both Ravenclaws (according to No. 6’s elite class) and Nezumi and Inukashi are lepers, since they are not 100% human. They live in the forbidden forest.
In that article we also learn that Veela's "have power and ability over storms" and that "They often appear as beautiful women, but are known to morph into swans, snakes, horses, or wolves."
(Here we have the snake again…)
As for Inukashi, I could imagine that whatever… A werewolf raped a witch (or they had an affair) and that witch was Inukashi’s mother, but got scared about the consequences and brought the baby into the forest to leave it there. It was raised by other wolves or dogs or some other creatures in the forest, but their magical blood is strong, and Inukashi can’t ignore that they are a half-blood.
As for Nezumi, I think his parents were a wizard and a Veela and like someone mentioned earlier, they were killed by wizards (maybe even “Voldemort-lab-coat-man”). They wanted Nezumi, to experiment with him, since he’s the first male half Veela. But maybe another old Veela helped him and they fled into the forest… where the old Veela taught him that he’s not allowed to trust wizards, that his Veela blood is stronger, that his mother was a fool to get involved with wizards and that her death was the price she had to pay. But that it’s not Nezumi’s fault, since he’s just a child, that’s why she can’t hate him. But she died when he’s 10 and he has to live alone, and the other creatures call him Nezumi, since his hair and eyes are grey and he’s acting like a little mouse to survive in the forest. (At least until he is old enough to fight.) He and Inukashi know each other… and maybe they also give each other jobs…
One day, he tries to control a storm, but it got out of his control and disturbed some…freakish dangerous creature that injures him and tries to get rid of him. He’s able to flee… and meets Shion in Hagrid’s hut outside of Hogwarts castle. Shion sneaked out to test his invisibility cloak and whatever…our No. 6 Hagrid is gone… ^^° Since the storm was really horrible, he decided to stay in the hut and let Nezumi in, treated him, cooked him a little bathtub full of tea and stuff like that. Nezumi uses magic without knowing it, something like…cooling his tea with help of magic, without knowing it… And Shion tells him: “Yo, Nezumi, you’re a wizard! O.o”
Well, then they separate again and when they are 16, Shion gets in danger (I mean it’s Hogwarts, so there are enough reasons…) and Nezumi helps him. Or Shion wants to meet him and runs into the forest where Nezumi has to save him, because everything in ther wants to kill Shion.
(After a short period of denial, Nezumi started to learn magic by himself… maybe he even sneaked into Hogwarts to learn, and since Rou is the headmaster, he knows it, but he let Nezumi do as he likes, since he’s the headmaster and knows everything and whatever. X’D I mean Rou likes Nezumi. Maybe he even…gives him a wand, like leaving one next to Nezumi’s hideout. And Nezumi can defend himself better with magic. While students just learn DADA, he actually has to fight against evil creatures.)
Nezumi could enter the school through pipes… maybe there are pipes from the lake and he can get in there as a snake, since Veelas can morph into snakes. And he should live close to the sea, since Veelas like bodies of water.
When we follow the story of No. 6, Shion has to leave Hogwarts… and then he’ll meet Inukashi in the forest… and Safu comes to search for Shion, but gets captured…for whatever reason and throw her into Askaban… XD And they have to rescue her (and this time she’s not going to die!).
(And when Shion and Nezumi are in the prison… their patronus start to change.)


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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2015, 06:31:51 am »
Yeah, but it's not like they're just gonna send a student in the woods just because they get expelled. They'd rather send them back to their parents xD

Except ... Let's imagine in Shion's fifth year, Rashi shows up as Umbridge, telling the students all things about how magical creatures are lesser than they are, dangerous and murderous, etc. Shion, of course, is gonna try to tell them otherwise without telling them too much about Nezumi, ending in detention and a forced warning from Rou. That's what get's ultimately Nezumi's attention that there's something going on and that Shion might be in danger.
In Shion's sixth year, Rou is suddenly brought to Askaban and the headmaster position given to Fennec. The teaching schedule is drastically changed and Shion can't stand what they learn now and tries again to tell them otherwise, leading to him being expelled from the school and since the minister is now Lab-Coat (aka Voldemort), he gets send into the woods as a warning for all other students who might want to rebel too (with the reasoning - if you're so sure that magical creatures aren't like we're teaching you, see how they treat you once you're within their home). And that's where he meets Nezumi again.

That would also factor in that Rou is in the same building as Safu when Nezumi and Shion get there - Askaban.

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2015, 11:29:42 am »
OK I'm writing this while reading so this might look weird and I might say things that were already said. I disagree with things and I really want to see the discussion going in a different direction but I missed the whole thing TT^TT

Houses: yes, I see where you're coming from about Nezumi in Slytherin, but consider this: No. 6 people are 'pure blood' (excuse me I read it in my native language and I'm translating directly from that, so I might be saying the terms incorrectly) and West Block people are not. So that would make it impossible for Nezumi to be in Slytherin. I have to admit I imagine Safu in Slytherin, because she's an elite, and she love perfection. I'd see Shion in Ravenclaw,, because he's curious, and Inukashi at Gryffindor. This leaves Nezumi to Hufflepuff, which I think would work 'cause i don't thinl he'd really care.
It's been a while since I read Harry Potter, but I really can't see Nezumi as a Slytherin. Not all Slytherin people are bad, and I think Safu would make a great Slytherin student. Also- SafuKashi with Inukashi being scared of Safu's parents not approving Safu's relationship with a mudblood while Safu doesn't really care? sign me up on that.
Also snakes eat mice so no Nezumi in Slytherin.

Favorite subjects: Nezumi- nothing (or any class he has with Shion) Shion- something theoretical I'd say. Like a type of history? Whatever class that lets him be creative with magic. Safu- potions (because I imagine Safu as the not-direct-opposite of me and I'm a physics person so Safu is a chemistry person). Inukashi- magical creatures things.

Patronus: Nezumi mouse Inukashi dog Safu wasp Shion deer (no particular reason for that one...)

i'm sorry i kinda skipped and skimmed lots of it cause i wanted to be back on track so I might have missed some important analysis.

 

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2015, 11:59:44 am »
@AoYokai actually, I really like the idea of Slytherin Safu. And Hufflepuff Nezumi XD
You kinda totally overturned what we said about the houses previously... I wonder if we'll actually come to a consensus XD
Ravenclaw Shion is still a good idea in my opinion... and Gryffindor Inukashi if we still want one in each house, otherwise Inukashi can stay in Hufflepuff.

I still disagree about the whole Nezumi/mouse patronus thing. I'm still voting snake.

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2015, 12:16:54 pm »
Pff, yeah, I guess the whole sorting is a lot harder than it seems at first sight. I don't remember who suggested it, but maybe that 'answering quizzes pretending to be one of the characters' is not such a bad idea after all XD; I guess we can say for certain that certain characters don't fit in certain houses (e.g. no-one's suggested Ravenclaw for Inukashi or Slytherin for Shion), but otherwise... haha let's take a vote XD Oh well. We can have fifty different AUs because never too many AUs! (Or is that just me? Right? Okay I'll show myself out.)

@Aoyokai: what way did you want to turn the discussion in? House-wise or different things to discuss? Because I'm sure we can still do that! I mean, I don't think so far any two people have disagreed on houses for all characters, so...

But yeah I don't think anyone was suggesting Slytherin for Nezumi because it being the 'bad house' or 'pureblood' (though depending on when this AU would be set - post-Deathly Hallows, Slytherin started to take in half-bloods and Muggle borns, right? I'm not entirely sure where I read that but I was pretty sure that was the case?). More like - cunning, ambition and resourcefulness do all fit Nezumi. Though of course, no-one fits one house 100% - obviously, see all the posts above XD Slytherin Safu is an interesting idea, hmmm.

Safu liking Potions is something I can totally get behind, because it seems to be very text book based and rational - do x and y in this quantity and result is z. I think she might enjoy that?

Yeah, I'm with @Vox with Nezumi's patronus being a snake... I feel like mouse/rat would be too - well, convenient too, but it's a name he was given, not necessarily what he might consider his protective animal. Or however that even works with patronuses - it doesn't seem you can really influence its shape consciously? I don't know, I haven't caught up on Pottermore in years, so if anything has been revealed there I'm out of the loop, oops.

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2015, 12:48:29 pm »
I think part of the issue on agreement is that we're all thinking a little differently on how everyone would be... Like, canon universe characters would sort differently than characters that grew up in the wizarding world. For example, the deal with Shion not feeling compassion for Nezumi and only curiosity when he showed up in the window, he'd grown up never experiencing any kind of suffering, nor actually experiencing it himself. He's been forced to be completely detached from that kind of situations, so maybe if he'd grown up outside of No.6's elite system, he might think differently at age 11. (I mean, he acts totally differently in the West Block say when Rico is choking on that nut...) That's my thought, anyway. And I don't actually expect us to all agree on houses for everyone. :)

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2015, 12:56:11 pm »
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agree on houses for everyone.

Yeah, I also think it's impossible. X'D And it's just normal... people have various opinions.

I dunno if you plan to post a big headcanon on tumblr about that AU...? :D

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2015, 01:00:03 pm »
I just don't like the Slytherin=bad stereotype. Yes, most bad people came from Slytherin, but it doesn't mean they're all bad. That's why I'd like to see Safu as Slytherin rather than Nezumi. I just feel like Nezumi is only Slytherin on the surface, but not on the inside. Safu would be a great example for the opposite- doesn't fit the stereotype of Slytherin, but she's a Slytherin on the deeper level. In my opinion...

Thinking about it again (as I said, I skimmed through this whole thing) snake would fit Nezumi better. I still want to find something better though...

@Weisel Nezumi being bullied by some Slytherin students (I imagine he would have a similar background story to Volde-however-you-spell-it-in-English only completely mudblood) and Shion letting him into the Hufflepuff dorms to hide, which might be against the rules (i don't remember) and then they both get detention and that's how they meet? Also, it's the first time Shion is exposed to discrimination of mudbloods and yeah...

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2015, 01:09:17 pm »
Would you look at that. I tried taking the pottermore quiz as Shion and I got 77% Hufflepuff, 60% Ravenclaw, 55% Gryffindor, and 15% Slytherin--
Here's the link if you guys are curious and want to try for yourselves: http://www.gotoquiz.com/pottermore_sorting_quiz_all_possible_question
H-HUFFLEPUFF!?

That does bring up an interesting question-- I can see Shion digging the animals. Not as much as Inukashi, but he's still got that thrill for living things. The box question was kind of interesting to me because even though there was a box with the mark of merlin and one with a thing that said "I open for the worthy" I don't think Shion would hesitate to immediately go for the box that had the LIVING THING inside of it. I feel like for Shion living creatures are always going to trump the pursuit of knowledge or bravery. MAYBE.

I'm not the biggest fan of using the pottermore questions for fictional characters though-- I feel like they're the sort of questions that can kind of vary A LOT from interpretation to interpretation. It's interesting to think about though!

Hnnngh but that's why Hogwarts AUs are so great-- plenty of alternate (And still totally viable!) character interpretations! BRING ON THE AUs.

The way I see it, if they're thought out beyond "Well Shion's a cutie so he's Hufflepuff" or "Shion's a smartie so he's Ravenclaw"  or "Nezumi can be an **** so he's Slytherin"-- I'll be able to get behind anything-- and that'll still be just as 'correct' as any of my own head canons.


I see Nezumi as Slytherin because for him I see cunning as greater than the pursuit of knowledge.
It's not a bad thing to be a Slytherin! In fact, I think Slytherin's are the most practical of all the houses and Nezumi would fit right in. Of course in terms of character GROWTH I feel like Nezumi's VERY cunning already and Slytherin would serve to help him grow in that and run the risk of making him cross that boundary of cunning vs. manipulative.
That's why a lot of dangerous people come from Slytherin-- they are smart-- not always classically so, and they learn to embrace that.

That's why if you go into Slytherin as a morally ambiguous person you're gonna leave it morally ambiguous and knowing how to USE it. Which is why some sketch people come from Slytherin. But it's not a bad house! It's just a sharp house.

I think Safu could totally fit right in--

I HAVE MORE TO SAY BUT I have to run so I don't get to finish this post and reply more specifically.
But
AH
HOGWARTS.
Ahhhh.

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2015, 02:33:33 pm »
See, I took the quiz as Shion and got Ravenclaw, then Hufflepuff. What a conundrum!
I have an idea. I'm going to make a thread specifically for polls, and we all can vote. Not that I think the results of the poll will determine anything. I just want to know what people think!

Poll thread created. Started with Safu. Will do the other two later. Please vote! :3

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Re: HP/Hogwarts AU
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2015, 03:39:45 pm »
Ah, I got Hufflepuff for Shion, too! :D (@Secretagendfan I got 78% Hufflepuff for Shion. o.o Uh)

But it's really hard to answer the questions for them. ^^° Sometimes I really don't know what they would do.

(Btw. back then when I still used Pottermore...I was a Slytherin. X'D)