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Re: Random NO6 talks
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2015, 04:33:30 pm »
@kare_reiko: I think Kino just had to make choices here and there - you can't possibly use every single scene from the novel if you're adapting it into another medium, no matter how much you want to. The pacing would get really choppy for one thing, and some things (like extensive monologues and dialogues, which No. 6 has plenty of) just work way better in a novel than in a comic/anime. And she wasn't given complete freedom either, I doubt it - there's always editors and stuff who supervise and tell you to cut certain things. That's needed, because you develop blind spots for your own work. I think Kino mentioned with some of those pages that she was asked to cut them, actually, so that definitely plays a role. Every writer and creator has to make sacrifices in order to make the story work. It's also entirely possible Kino was given a limited amount of chapters from the get-go, so she had to scrap certain events right from the start to make it all fit, but I don't know about that.

As for the anime... I have no idea. The last volume of the light novels was published as the anime was running, true, but they definitely consulted Asano about the ending before writing it, so I have no idea why they made the choices they did. Part of it is probably interpretation by the anime staff. They emphasized other things than the novels did, and as a result cut out and expanded on different scenes. I don't think No. 6 had a huge budget, so that accounts for the limited amount of episodes, but... I have no idea on why they made some choices, I assume they had to know from the beginning they had only 11 episodes to work with. Why expand episode 1 so much that there's one entire episode dedicated to Shion and Nezumi as twelve year olds, adding events that were later referred to in new scenes they had to add for that purpose (like the sweater)? Why dedicate so much time to Safu's time abroad and then - do that to her character in the end? Why move Rou and his people out of the caves underneath the Facility?
I have so many questions.

Mostly though from what I've seen (not that I'm such an expert), Japanese anime get made while the manga is still running in order to cash in on the success of the manga. In many cases, the anime then overtakes the manga and has to come up with its own storylines - sometimes that works, sometimes it just... doesn't. And other times they take it easier and they stay faithful to the manga as it runs side by side, or the anime gets made once the manga is done. It's definitely a market thing, though. 'This manga is popular right now, let's cash in by making it into an anime!' Or 'This genre/story does well, let's make something almost exactly like it!' I mean, it'd be great if the main goal of an anime was 'let's make a faithful adaptation of this manga/novel and make the fans happy', but it's usually also a money thing. Making a pre-existing series into an anime means you have a guaranteed audience for at least the first couple of episodes, regardless of faithfulness or quality. It's not just a Japan thing - just look at the amount of adaptations Hollywood has been producing since pretty much the very beginning, for example. It's way easier to sell something people are already familiar with than something entirely new.

I don't have any insider information though so I'm just - rambling off what I think might be the case ^^;;;

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Re: Random NO6 talks
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2015, 09:02:34 am »
I totally agree with you, Miz. o.o
Even though we can't say for sure why they changed everything in the anime or "rushed" the manga, I'm also fairly sure that the main reason is budget issues.
He who has the gold, makes the rules, right?

As for the manga, I also think it's a question of time and limited pages. Hinoki Kino began serialization in the March 2011 issue of ARIA... Aria is a monthly magazine, so the artists have some more pages than for weekly ones, but I think it also depends a bit of the popularity of the manga... o.o Magazins usually have polls, but I don't know if Aria is like that as well... but yeah, depending on the popularity, you get more pages...or color pages. ^^ Or if something very important is happening, you also get color pages and maybe even the cover.
Each artist also has an editor, who also makes decisions in regard to pages...
They talk about each step. The first thing is the storyboard... then sketches... so the mangaka has to redo a lot of things, change the ankle of the "camera", or they decide if they don't need certain pages or not... I bet before they stalk they talk about which scenes they are going to draw in the first place...
It's not Hinoki Kino's fault. :3 I bet she'd love to draw more and longer chapters, but yeah...I mean she said it herself.

I really think she didn't have much of a say... I mean just look at the characters. That's the anime design (but in her own style... but yeah, Shion's scar... Nezumi's ponytail and his clothes... That's toi8's design, not Hinoki Kino's... otherwise I bet it would be much closer to the novel and Nezumi would have shorter hair.

The anime also started it 2011... I wish they had waited a little longer... (Why didn't they wait a little until the manga was more popular... but I could imagine it's because Hinoki Kino was more or less a newbie back then... I don't think she was very famous when she started to draw the series.

But yeah, I also don't get why they decided to change so many things and why they made up so many scenes, especially with Safu. I mean it's nice that we could see more of Safu's life in No. 5, but yeah...I really don't get it. ^^° They made up scenes and left out other important scenes... you can't even say it's a summarize of the novel, because it's so different.
It's actually a bit sad, because I think it could have been much better.

Ah btw... even the last volume of the novel was rushed. 



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Re: Random NO6 talks
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2015, 11:38:14 am »
Yeah I get it, I draw myself so I know it's take a time, but from those few pages in sketch version from limited ver of volumes, those pages are pretty much finished, only inking and toning left (well maybe they were made later) but still page like this one with Safu, it's only one page, only one pages was need to shot this great scene from light novel. I wish that pages like this wasn't cut out from manga.
Well it's still lucky since manga show NO6 story pretty good.

As anime, it's cut too much for me to say something. I don't let my fiance to watch anime before he reads manga. When he asked today if Nezumi's mother was shown in anime... I said not, "only in manga we see her (but not her face), in anime she wasn't shown, even Nezumi's gran wasn't there... Not torture scene, no this not that..." and when I think about it then I don't know if anime show 20% of Light Novel story.
 
It had beautiful backgrounds, movement of characters, voices were amazing... There are few scenes that are amazing, but only that, some scenes that make you feel happy that were animated from LN/manga. And that's all in my opinion.


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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2015, 04:11:06 pm »
If we want to get specific, I think the anime had the entire first episode set when they were twelve for good reason. It showed just how easy yet mundane Shion's life had been, and then established the relationship between Nezumi and Shion as well as showing just how profound this all was to Shion. It also gave an intro to the setting, like how there's six cities, yadda yadda yadda... I think it also did a decent job of showing that Shion wasn't really content to begin with. It didn't have his "destroy everything" bit, but he still wasn't paying attention in class, looked a bit unhappy when Safu's grandmother went on about No.6 doing everything for them so they had nothing to ever worry about, and he made his comment about the Moondrop being a "blister on the earth." Of course it was questionable to dedicate an entire episode on that when they only had eleven episodes to work with in the first place. Maybe they could have worked it into the first half of an episode. Still, I think it did a good job of introducing the setting and Shion's life inside No.6 pretty well so the audience would have that part of the story to think back on later when we see the West Block and all of Shion's growth while facing hardships. I think it was important to emphasize the stark difference when no one watching the anime has had a life like Shion's. He's a pampered prince!

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Re: Random NO6 talks
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2015, 02:53:43 am »
Hm...he might be a pampered prince, but actually...I don't think that his childhood was super great either.
Shion never really had the possibility to enjoy his life the way he wanted to.
He was just two when he joined the gifted course and I bet it was not his own choice. ^^°
Shion and Karan were both completely bored in Chronos...

And look at Shion's room. It rather looks like a bureau, just with a cocoa machine instead of a coffee machine. (I wouldn't even be surprised if Shion were a coffee addict with not even 8 years XD) Shion's room is not a proper room for a kid. He doesn't seem to have personal stuff, apart from good quality clothes and his first aid kid with syringes, needle and treat and antibiotics, which are usually only available by prescription. ^^° Great toys for a 12-year-old kid. If he wants to commit suicide, he just needs to take all his pills or inject air into his veins. <.<

Besides, he was never really safe. It's just an illusion. We don't know when he got that injection with Elyurias's egg inside, that kid was a ticking time bomb. I'm pretty sure, he was chosen to be a specimen, because of his gender and IQ.
He just didn't know that the city patted his head with the one hand and prepared itself to stab his back with the other one. ^^°

However, it's true that the first episode showed us that Shion lived an Utopian life and it leaves us as stupid as Shion, since we don't know what we will truly find behind that beautiful facade.
But instead of explaining stuff in the last episodes, they just let us die more or less stupid. ^^° I mean, when you just watch the anime, we know nothing at all...
It was just not enough time for everything, so it's really questionable that they dedicated the entire episode to just one chapter in the novels and even invented additional scenes, for example that awkward birthday party to get the sweater item for later use...
The manga handled it much shorter and I think that you can also see the difference and Shion's thoughts about the city quite well.
I mean, the anime is not completely bad. ^^°  I really enjoyed it back then and started to love the series thanks to it, but it's kinda disappointing when you know the novels and manga.

PS: When you dedicate an entire episode to their children forms, they should also be voiced by young boys or women, if you ask me. X'D I don't know how they pay voice actors in Japan, so I can't tell for sure if it would be more expensive...  But Kaji and Hosoya would get a little less payment and the kids/women would get their charge for the first episode instead... So it shouldn't make a bit difference and should still be in their budget. ^^°
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Re: Random NO6 talks
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2015, 02:17:34 pm »
I'm curious about something.

How it come that this toi8 artist made different designs for Shion and Nezumi instead go with novel ones? And why it was made into official so anime and manga followed with such looks of our beloved boys? 

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2015, 05:52:25 am »
I have no idea. XD
I just think he got some kind of order, maybe from the anime team? I mean he also made the end cards. And the manga followed later.
I'd say the licensee wanted them to look like that. Maybe they were like. "Uh, no...purple eyes look almost like blue eyes, that's not very special at all. Give Shion red eyes. And his scar should be more visible...and Nezumi with short hair is not cool, give him long hair, he's living in the West Block, there's no proper barber. X'D And give him shredded pants and it has to be asymmetric, because that's coooool! That's what young people like...nowadays! I know that, because I'm a **** old office sitter and I know cool stuff."
Yeah...I'm fairly sure they thought something like that. XD

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2015, 06:35:29 am »
I know the decision between giving Nezumi a jacket or a poncho was decided because the jacket looked cooler. And then they gave Inukashi the poncho. The yellow shirt was to brighten up his design (same with Shion's sweater). I have no idea about the pants. Or anything else.

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2015, 08:07:53 am »
Okay, that means I'm not entirely wrong with my assumption. oO° They wanted to make him look cool.
(Even though I really think that novel Nezumi looks cooler than anime Nezumi. ^^° We don't really know what he's wearing, but I'm pretty sure it's not as awkward as his anime outfit.)

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2015, 12:57:46 pm »
Nezumi needs to be EDGY with a TUBULAR JACKET and SICK PANTS

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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2015, 03:36:59 pm »
@Ghosty I think we need to start a thread just for altering Nezumi quotes to be totally über dude.

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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2015, 12:31:59 am »
@Weisel absolutely :)

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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2016, 01:01:16 pm »
I had a question for you guys, I can't remember if I've asked before or not so I'll just ask. I wanted to know what your guys' opinions were on Anime!Safu. My friend and I have argued about our opinions on her for a long time, so I wanted to know what you guys thought of her.

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2016, 04:00:53 pm »
@Ghosty: ahh, interesting! There was actually a thread going on over here, though it didn't last long and that was quite a while ago, so it'd be nice to pick it up again perhaps. Maybe here  in this thread if you want to start from a different angle?

(I'd love to weigh in, but as much as I love Safu, I've only seen the anime once and that was some years ago. The most I remember is being torn because YAY MORE SAFU and BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE. I mean I love that we got to see her in No. 5 and get to see the 'real her' a bit more before sh*t went down (considering most of her own screentime in the novels was... well), but it took away from the time they could have used to explain the plot going on in No. 6 and instead they added this odd subplot where Safu seems connected to the Forest People/Elyurias before she's ever back in No. 6? I don't know if I remember correctly, I just remember being baffled.)

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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2016, 07:27:56 pm »
@listenforthelove The connection between Safu and Elyurias before the correctional facility happened threw me off a lot as well. I thought it might have to do with reincarnation? or possibly a matching-wavelength type of thing, but eventually I just chalked it up to poor writing. I view the anime as an alternate universe, canon but it has a few changes. both the anime universe and the manga/novel universes exist, but they are different universes within the multiverse. if you believe in that sort of thing