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Smut-writing discussion // And also general smut discussion
« on: March 22, 2015, 12:39:27 pm »
This thread split-off from the Nezushi sexcanon discussion.
WARNING: NSFW. PLEASE DO NOT STAY IN THIS THREAD IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO READ GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF SEX AND SEXUAL ACTS. THANK YOU.

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@Ahiku what I meant was that you're good at drawing things I actually want to look at! Smut has nothing to do with it! :3
(Three arms, Ahiku... XD)

I'm sure I could design a perfectly good doujin, I just can't draw it. I have lots of ideas of nice romantic things. But I guess that's why I'm a writer and not an artist.
The problem with that is the whole picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words thing. Smut authors have to work a lot harder than smut artists, imo :I

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2015, 01:04:35 pm »
@Vox
Ah so, okay! X'D

Yeah, he has three arms... orz
Or a very, very long right arm. X'D Nezumi, the tentacle monster. (Better than Shion with a burning rope around his body... right, @listenforthelove X'DDD?)

Ah, if you want to we can do a collaboration one day. ^^ (Unless the doujin is not too long.)

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The problem with that is the whole picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words thing. Smut authors have to work a lot harder than smut artists, imo :I

Ah... I don't know... It takes a while to draw. X'D Of course you can express more with a picture, but it's really hard to compare. When I draw manga pages, I need 30mins if it's a simple one and up to 2 hours if it's one with a lot of panels and details...

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2015, 02:53:52 pm »
I didn't mean the work that goes into crafting whatever it is is more if you're a writer than an artist. I would never suggest something as stupid as that, I know how much work it takes to make art!

I meant, a story requires progression in order to have an impact, whereas in art a single still frame will do the trick. Sex is kinda a process, so the writer has to both begin it and end it, whereas an artist can just show a snapshot from it and be done. I guess what I'm complaining about is the fact that you can draw any number of pictures of sex and it will feel like something new even though the essential act is the same, but for a writer, you are so limited by the fact that there are only so many words in the English language. Every sex scene will probably contain the same basic set of words, and it gets really boring trying to come up with new turns of phrase to describe the same feelings. That's one of the reasons I wasn't cut out to be a mostly-smut writer. Because I can't write too many sex scenes in a row without thinking they all sound the same, and being bored out of my skull. Like, I'm pretty sure that every kiss I've ever written has either "gently," "softly," or "tenderly" in it somewhere. Why would anyone want to read more than one of my stories in a row? But if I could draw, ah! It'd be the **** Olympics, pun intended xD

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2015, 03:20:39 pm »
Ah, I see. o.o I have never thought about it in that way, but you're right. I'm not that much of a writer... especially not in English. I'm glad when people understand what I try to say. XD That's why I don't think about new ways of describing something. (Ah, and I'm glad when I can read a scene without looking up every second word because I don't know it yet. ^^ Especially when you read smut stuff.)

Well... I like all of your stories! With smut or without... :D

(Ah, of course I prefer it when "smut" stories have an actual story line^^ So... just smut is also not very cool... and I also prefer it when stories don't end after the characters had sex, as if the sex was the only thing they aimed for. o.o)

Ah, but you're right... It's pretty hard to come up with something new when you want to write sex scenes. Even though NezuShi is a good couple... I think you can do a lot with them. :D

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2015, 04:08:41 pm »
It's really tiresome to write smut in German because we have so many awkward sounding words. So, here's my input to this topic xD I really think English has so many nice words for writing smut and then you're sitting there, trying to write it in German and can't get into the mood at all because of that awkward wording >.<"

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2015, 04:23:17 pm »
@Ahiku Oh, thank you. I was so afraid I'd totally ruin Fateswap by putting smut into it ^^;;

@lawlya I thought you were a native German speaker. Do the words really sound that weird to you? O.o
Sorry, I have to disagree with you about English though. English has absolutely awful words for smut, because all of them have negative connotations.

*puts on education hat* We as a culture never developed a good dialogue about sex, so all our words for sexual acts are extremely vulgar and probably come from houses of prostitution (see: eating someone out, handjob, blowjob, etc.) or extremely academic (see: oral sex, anal sex, etc.). The same goes for body parts. While a certain amount of vulgarity is necessary in writing certain sexual things (they don't call it "dirty talk" for nothing), when you're trying to make a romantic sex scene you're basically screwed at the start because there's no overlap. People try to compensate by using euphemisms like "member" and "rod" for d*cks, or "core" or "cave" for v*gina but most of those are really awkward, and sometimes you can even stray into the infantile if you're not really careful. On top of all that, sexism has made an imbalance between sexes so when you're writing hetero or genderbent smut, have fun describing a woman's private parts because mentions of the clitoris and other parts are considered offensive, and so are the opposite of arousing for most people. *takes off education hat, dons gauntlets of strong opinions*

Anyway that's another reason I hate writing about sex, because the vocabulary for the mechanical parts of the act is just so terrible. There are a few good ways of saying things, like personally I like "lips" to talk about women's private parts (though that can get repetitive/confusing if there's a lot of kissing) and "arousal" for a man (though that makes it sound like I don't know what I'm talking about). Maybe it's just my pompous, highbrow literature side speaking, but I feel like there's a lot less freedom in writing about sex than there is in other topics. It's just so hard to make it sound natural. Because it's not. The vocabulary to make it natural just hasn't evolved yet, and I'm really inexperienced in writing this stuff so the whole thing seems really daunting to me. (Hence the insecurity about Fateswap).

Aaaaaaaand... this thread is super off topic, lol. Sorry guys. xD

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2015, 04:28:54 pm »
Being native makes it even worse xD But if I read what you wrote ... seems that's the fate of native speakers writing smut?
Because I never think of those words as vulgar or too academic. But that's exactly the problem I have with German words and I'm definitely not the only one ^^" It's either anatomical accurate, vulgar or an overused euphemism xD

Yeah, sorry for off-topicness guys ^^"

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2015, 04:56:58 pm »
I think since a lot of us here are writers, we could have another thread to discuss this elsewhere (because obviously we're all interested in talking about it and we all have unique viewpoints). Anyone want to start that?

Also for me writing smut, specifically NezuShi smut (because all my other writing has been on hold for a couple years), I don't find the terms to be too difficult... Like, it's a little bit of a challenge, but if I'm writing a sex scene at all, it's for a very specific purpose, and it's usually focusing on what's happening as a result of that. How do I put that into better words... It's focused on the emotions of the scene, not the mechanics of everything.

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2015, 05:24:28 pm »
Would probably be a good idea :) Anyone against splitting the thread? We could use the new one to help each other writing better smut too xD

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2015, 06:11:45 pm »
@Ahiku

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I'm not that much of a writer... especially not in English.

But... but... everything you write is so amazing Q.Q

@Vox about the vocabulary, I actually think about words a lot, not for writing smut because I just can't write smut but in general. And I think that it's true that most words are either academic or vulgar, but here is a counter example (?): making-love.

Oh and I'm in the favor of a new thread!

Back to the doujin topic, anyone read the one where Shion hires someone to pretend to be himself because he dies five years(?) before Nezumi comes back so that person now pretends to be Shion when Nezumi arrives?

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2015, 06:34:12 pm »
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It's either anatomical accurate, vulgar or an overused euphemism xD

@lawlya that is EXACTLY what I was trying to say, just in a less long-winded way, so thank you XD

@AoYokai I'm not trying to say that there are NO good ways to say things. It's just, they're very limited.
Maybe we should compare notes and see which inappropriate terms we all like XD

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Also for me writing smut, specifically NezuShi smut (because all my other writing has been on hold for a couple years), I don't find the terms to be too difficult... Like, it's a little bit of a challenge, but if I'm writing a sex scene at all, it's for a very specific purpose, and it's usually focusing on what's happening as a result of that. How do I put that into better words... It's focused on the emotions of the scene, not the mechanics of everything.

@Weisel Yeah, see, that's the thing. For me, what's going on in real time and the emotions are both really important pieces of the puzzle. Okay, the actual sex thing (for normal m/m Nezushi, the part where a d*ck goes somewhere and then ejaculation happens) is not important. But all the foreplay is really important, because it's super emotionally charged. If you look at the smut scene I most recently wrote in Fateswap Beyond, you'll see that it's like 75% foreplay and Nezumi internal monologue, and only 25% actual sex. (And they never took their boxers off either because Shion would've freaked the f*ck out lol)
But in my ideal world, I would have words at my disposal that I could use to make the actual act of sex feel the same way it does in real life, instead of relying on everything that comes before and after to make up for the weakness of the writing of the actual act.

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2015, 06:38:13 pm »
The winner in the contest of the term I hate the most for d*ck is noodle so far >< I don't have ones I like particularly...

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2015, 06:39:40 pm »
@AoYokai you're seriously telling me that one time you read a smut fic where someone used the word "noodle" for "dick" and they weren't joking or trolling?

(Wait, is dick not actually censored... is that because it's a name or because i put it in quotes?)

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2015, 06:41:53 pm »
NOODLE. NOOOOOOOODLE.

(that's all my brain is doing right now. just repeating the word "noodle.")

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2015, 06:43:55 pm »
Not only dick because it was a NezuShi fic (I know, I'd expect this behavior from the DMMd fandom, too) they at some point called his dick a mouse.