Author Topic: Smut-writing discussion // And also general smut discussion  (Read 1473 times)

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2015, 12:49:44 pm »
For me as a native English speaker and language/psychology nut, this is totally fascinating. It's like you guys are saying that for you, English is almost the natural language of sex or erotica, even though it's not your first language and it's harder for you to use/understand in every other context. Maybe I'm reading into that too much but that's what I'm hearing. I should do a study about it XD

I guess, because the words have fewer cultural connotations for you, it's easier for you to project your own notions of sex onto them? Maybe?
I'm... gonna stop nerding out now XD

I like French smut because I love French in general, lol. I think it sounds much more beautiful than English in just about every context. Plus I like that you can use "sexe" for genitals. That probably sounds weird XD

@Yuneyn yeah I haven't read any more No. 6 fics in French in a long time, lol. I have done a little better with the NGE fandom. (Kawoshin ;A;)

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2015, 12:58:28 pm »
For me this is not only limited to smut. I used to read fics in French when I was 16 because the internet was starting and I didn't follow many English sites. But as of now I would absolutely be unable to read a fic in French. Something would seem off, smut or not.

But I may not be a good specimen for this kind of study lol- I live through the day in English. My phone, laptop, video games, I set everything to English. I read books in English, I talk to myself in English, and sometimes I mix up words when I speak French (my husband never misses an opportunity to make fun of me ahem)

So... I don't know. But this is an interesting topic maybe we should split this one to another place? (I'm on my phone in the car so I can't do much - I'm actually impressed that I managed to write this much without getting p*ssed at the phone keyboard lol)
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2015, 01:17:15 pm »
@Vox: I think that's actually pretty true. At least for me. It's not like I didn't read smut in German before (I did before I started reading English fanfiction) but I got to know the words used in smut through English fanfiction so I naturally associate the words with those connotations.
Yes, do a study about that. Good idea.

*nodding along* Yep, I think so too :)

Luckily, I can still read fanfictions in German though it's a really ... odd feeling xD But yeah, English is pretty much my fanfiction language. Though I always liked how English sounds anyway. It's my favorite language I think ^^

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2015, 01:43:03 pm »
Fun fact: Hebrew has about 3 different words to describe men with big balls. All three are fairly old, tho, so they aren't used anymore.
Fun fact #2: Don't translate 'I know this person' literally if you ever attempt to speak Hebrew. The correct translation is 'I'm acquainted with that person', using 'know' would mean you slept with them.

There are very little fics written in my language and they're all in fandoms I don't like too much so I don't need to deal with these problems ^^

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2015, 01:06:12 pm »
I did not know what to expect when I started reading this thread, but I like how you actually included the language thing.
I'm fairly native to German like Ahiku (my dialect is just weird enough that many Germans don't understand) but I didn't quite experience it the same way. Actually, to me it depends a lot what language I started a story with or which language I'm used from watching/reading the canon.

And that includes the smut. If I'm used to think of a story in German, I'm fine with fanfictions in German, but it sounds all wrong to me if they are English in my head.

... basically though, I find most German things awkward because the internet just offers way more information/subs in English. (I prefer watching anime in Japanese with subs. I rarely like any dubs be they English or German...)

Smut in general though... I don't read much, I don't like most words in either language and most stories just are too vulgar for my taste it kind of robs the flow of a story... to me at least. The smut stories I like are (to me, again) somewhat like pieces of art, because they manage to balance getting the point across without verbally over-painting the scene and yet... barely use any of the very graphic descriptions.
It's what I try to do when I get to write smut in an RP. (Which... I don't think I've ever done officially.)

And on a completely different approach on the story. Good smut (personal opinion, though) always involves a couple that is of more or less equal importance. I don't like the whole seme/uke thing. One being timid and shy and the other one strong. I just... like healthy relationships opposed to destructive ones. I'm not saying that a healthy one can't have problems or trouble. But with the seme/uke thing... one is always dependent on the other in some way and the give and take just doesn't seem balanced. But that may be just me.

It's why I like Shion and Nezumi though, it may seem at first that Nezumi is the stronger one and handles all, but Shion gives back so much. And he wants to be Nezumi's equal too, not just the little duckling needing/wanting all the help.

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2015, 05:40:46 pm »
@Kai I really understand where you're coming from on the seme/uke thing. I've seen a lot of nezushi fanfictions try and use that kind of relationship with them, even though that's the exact opposite of what they are. Not to say their relationship is perfect, but they certainly aren't the time to take the seme/uke kind of relationship to any part of their life.

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2015, 12:32:29 am »
I distanced myself from this stereotype before even getting into No.6 but even so, I never felt it quite fitting for these two either way. They're just too ... codependent? None of the two is particularly in charge of their feelings or passion or composed enough to fit into those roles (with all the leading vs. being led stuff going on there). The only difference would probably be in experience - and even that's open for debate!
And Shion's just too active and straightforward to fit the stereotype xD Him laying back and letting Nezumi do all the work? With his adorable admiration and love for him? NEVER!

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2015, 07:11:17 am »
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And Shion's just too active and straightforward to fit the stereotype xD Him laying back and letting Nezumi do all the work? With his adorable admiration and love for him? NEVER!

Yeah, I think so, too. XD He was the first one who kissed Nezumi, after all. I have to say it really surprised me in the anime, because you automatically think about that seme/uke cliche when you watch the anime. ^^ Ok, it also surprised me because I didn't know that there are BL elements in this story, since it was just tagged as sci-fi. X'D But normally, you'd think Nezumi is the one who has to kiss him first, but this is a stupid way of thinking. <_< I'm glad Shion kissed him and that he wants to be equal.
Their equality is one of the main reasons why I love this series so much. ^^ I'm super sick of yaoi and other BL stories and it's super rare that you find really good ones.

Ah, I also think Nezumi would rather freak out when they have their first time, because... OMG too many feelings and we all know he's always scared when it comes to Shion. Even if he'd be the active part because he want to be the one in control of everything, I think Shion would guide him, he would take him by the hand and try to still his fears. Ok, this is just my headcanon, but I think they are like that.

I really don't like all those nearly r*apes in other BL mangas, for example Junjou Romantica (although I have to admit I like Junjou Romantica and that Hatsukoi stuff; the stories have a weird atmosphere I enjoy a lot XD But well, the love scenes suck a lot. x.x It's always so similar and also some kind of r*ape in my opinion.

Ah, do you know "Junko"? I think some of her BL manga are not that bad. ^^ I like this one a lot:
http://mangafox.me/manga/recipe_no_oujisama/
(Although I think the other two characters are more interesting XD But KeiKei and Shohei are also very equal in my opinion. Neither of them is overly girly or overly manly... it's a nice little story. Nothing too deep, though. Still better than a lot of other stories.




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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2015, 10:44:54 am »
Okay, this is kinda off-topic but yeah, you're right about the stereotypical BL manga. Though I try not to think too much into it because well ... I'm someone who doesn't want to pick everything apart because of problematic content. I really like Ten Count but you could also says it falls into the spectrum of mangas you described ^^" Same thing with Love Stage (though I only read the first volume so far).
And are you kidding, I LOVE Junko o.o I read through all her mangas on mangahere and you should definitely try a few of them if you don't know her yet! She has some of the cutest stories I read so far!

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2015, 11:19:24 am »
Ah, you guys phrased it nicely and just proven all over that I found a good forum. I try not to judge too much either, but I just... I can't feel comfortable that much if people like things that are practically r*pe... Because some of the things I encountered weren't 'almost' anymore. It's just wrong if things get forced... and it's not cute if someone's too shy and just needs a push because they say no due to 'shyness'. That's just... a fat no for me, too. (Guess I can't not judge in this case.)

And it's not cute either if someone finds out the love the person they've been assaulted by after all... that's called stockholm-syndrome.

So to conclude again, that is not the kind of smut I want to read and I can't understand why anyone would want to write or read it. Unless it is a serious story that doesn't glorify such things.

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Re: Smut-writing discussion
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2015, 01:22:12 pm »
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Okay, this is kinda off-topic but yeah,

Yeah, you're right... X'D But... well, I guess we can also speak about smut in general...^^ Reading smut, writing smut, smut in manga, anime and books... Or should we open a new thread for that? I guess we don't have that much to say about smut-writing anymore, that's why the thread is so old. X'D  Ah, I know, I'll just change the thread and we can talk about smut in general. o.o

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So to conclude again, that is not the kind of smut I want to read and I can't understand why anyone would want to write or read it. Unless it is a serious story that doesn't glorify such things.

Right. >.<

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oooh I love Recipe No Oujisama! I did read a lot of Junko's other work, though I found some of it very... simplistic? though a lot of it was very short, so you would kindof have to be.

If this is a general smut/bl/whatever discussion now, has anyone read Hana No Mizo Shiru? It's by far my favorite BL out there.

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My best friend started scanning it for me a while ago but never finished but as far as I read it, I really liked it. It's so cute >w<

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@Lawl

I think you can read it here as well: http://mangafox.me/manga/hana_no_mizo_shiru/v01/c001/3.html
I think I've read it. o.o But I'm not sure about it. At the moment, I don't really like BL manga...or manga in general x_x I don't read them, apart from No. 6.

Ah, do you know Kotetsuko Yamamoto? Some of her works are good. (Ok, some of them are pretty stereotyped and run-of-the-mill...but I really like "Honto Yajuu"
Ok, it's also seme/uke, but Aki is not such a shy and "nooo, I don't want that" uke...and he's super cute (he can look cute, although he's mostly rather embarrassing XD But I think his character is cute...)
And he really wants to sleep with Tomoaki. X'D They are so cute together. I thought it's very refreshing, because it's rare that you can read stories about a working relationship. Haha, they are so **** and always sleeping with each other. X'D

Most of the time you just read about two people becoming a couple and I really hate triangle relationships. x_x And the way they handle women in some BL manga... o_O They are evil. X'D Or something. It's always a little sad.
I guess that's also one of the reasons why some people don't like Safu. <.<


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Yeah, I know. But I started in German and it's no big deal to wait a bit either.
Ah, some manga to check out then ^^