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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2015, 04:07:10 am »
But no that makes perfectly sense. Wasn't Shion "burned" when No.6 declared him a criminal? I mean he first lost his elite status and then his rights and citizenship altogether.

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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2015, 02:07:54 pm »
So, I don't know anything about Chronos I just googled it and found out it wasn't the same as Cronus. Cronus kinda have a bad connotation, so that's why I was wandering about it...

I've thinking about this whole self-fulfilling prophecy idea for a while now, sadly I'm not very focus right now and can't put it to words OTL

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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2015, 07:13:38 am »
@Meopat: yeah, it's a shame... so many characters just have no name at all, even quite important ones (though that might have been on purpose). Well, the kanji for medicine does have the radical for 'grass' in it, indicating a leafy origin, so I guess that's where it might come from re: Getsuyaku... But I've never ever heard that name before and even the English manga spelled it wrong once, possibly because it's so uncommon XD;

Japanese really doesn't differentiate between Chronos and Kronos; I'm guessing they always need to explain which one they're talking about when discussing mythology, because it literally is Kuronosu in both cases, not just in No. 6. I can only find that 'serpentine shape' thing on wiki and on the website that wiki copied it from, so I have no idea how accurate that is... so many clashing sources for mythology, and apparently even in antiquity they were already confusing the two deities because of the similar names.


@AoYokai: ah, I see! Quite curious to your idea about the self-fulfilling prophecy, so if you ever feel like it, please share?


I personally think Cronus/Kronos (can I just pick Kronos, it's what we Dutchies use XD) fits well because A) overthrew his father/predecessor, with help of Mother Earth if you want to tie that in, and B) got overthrown himself by the very people it tried to oppress/eat to avoid that from happening. I'm pretty sure his wife Rhea sought help from Gaia/Mother Earth for that too, actually.
... Would the birth of Aphrodite fit in there somewhere, I wonder. Because she was born when Kronos chopped off his dad's, eh, crown jewels and tossed them in the sea XD;

Oh, something else I just realized: in Roman mythology, their god Saturn was merged with the deity Kronos. Saturn was more benevolent than Kronos, but more interestingly, he was associated with agriculture among other things (his scythe later became part of the imagery of Father Time partly because of the Chronos/Kronos confusion, apparently, but that as an aside). In Japanese, the planet Saturn is dosei, which means 'earth/soil star' (and Satur-day is Do-youbi, earth/soil day).
... that probably wasn't super relevant, but hey earthy words!

I'll go shut up now about mythology how about that. Oops.

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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2015, 04:35:22 am »
Ok, I revive this thread now~

I just thought that "Nozomi" (望) would be a cute name for Nezumi. It's a pretty feminine name but I've also found some guys with that name on wikipedia, ithe sound is super similar to Nezumi and it means hope. XD Isn't that cute?

I plan on writing a childhood friends AU in which Karan and Nezumi's mom are friends and neighbors and the boys grow up together... I play with the thought of calling him Nozomi and Nezumi is his nickname, because mini Shion can't say his name properly... Hmmmm~ :D

Edit: Just imagine Nezumi coming back and telling Shion his name, since he promised him to tell him his name one day and he said that he'd never break a promise.
Nezumi: "Ah, btw. my real name is Nozomi."
Shion: (.____.)
Nezumi: o.o What?
Shion: There's barely any difference.
Nezumi: Well, whatever. You wanted to know my name. Besides, I'm still taller than you.
Shion: There's barely any difference.
Nezumi: Coming back was definitely worth it. You're charming and eloquent as ever, Your Majesty.
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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2015, 04:45:50 am »
Aww, it's such a cute idea to give Nezumi his nickname because Shion just can't pronounce his name xD
It would even go along with speech development of children. Apparently they learn a, e and i first and the other two vowels later so it would make sense that little Shion just can't pronounce the o in Nozomi and makes it an e.

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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2015, 05:17:55 am »
Oh, that's interesting. o.o I didn't know that. ^^ I thought he's gonna say "Nechumi" when he's still small and Karan and Nezumama like it and call him Nezumi. X'D Since he's so cute and looks like a little mouse. Could also be great to make jokes later, when someone is telling Nezumi Nozomi and people are like. "Nozomi? Who's that?" - "That's my name, you jerk. Did you really think my parents named me "rat"?"
The same happened with some of my friends, some people didn't even know their real names.

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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2015, 06:11:06 am »
Oh my god @Ahiku that is adorable! (Hm, my kanji add-on informs me that the kanji on its own without 'mi' behind it can also mean full moon. Make of that what you will. Nocturnal and all XD) And meh, Shion is technically a girl's name too so psh Nozomi can totally work.
And Ne'chu'mi omigosh. Mouse sounds and kisses! XD
... must say though, I still associate Nozomi with the shinkansen. GOOD, THE FASTER HE CAN RETURN TO SHION.

@lawlya: oh, that's interesting, I didn't know that! Is that universal or does it depend on the language? Is that a thing that even depends on the language or am I spewing nonsense again...

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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2015, 06:18:05 am »
Oh my god, the z to ch is definitely something to consider; just too cute >w<

@listenforthelove: That's actually a pretty good question but I don't know ^^" I just got the information from my best friend's lecture who's studying logopedics. I can ask her about further intel. Especially since said lecture didn't mention the other two vowels with a single word o.o (But I'd say vowels are kinda universal. Gotta be more difficult with the consonants; but there's also a distinct chronology to those. Although I'd say her lecture focus on the German language ^^)

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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2015, 02:41:22 pm »
@listenforthelove
Full moon is also cute. *-* Both is cute XD Haha... God, I have to admit, I really love that name now and I'll totally go for it. X'D Okay, it's not "Mao" enough for canon Nezumi, but I think it's a good name for an AU.


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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2015, 10:24:54 am »
Okay, as promised, further information on the topic from friend who even wrote an essay about this :)

Children learn the vowel "a" first because they just have to open their mouth and let their voice do the rest.
After that comes the "i" because it's the vowel with the furthest contrast to "a".
Next is either "u" or "e"; that's individual.
Again, there wasn't a mention of "o" but I'd guess it's one of the last. German "", "" and "" follow much later.

The order is only dependent on the mothertongue if there are some of the vowels missing in the language altogether; they just aren't learned then.
Furthermore, children have a preference for their mothertongue when learning how to speak.
(Do you want all the phases of how babies learn to speak too? I guess it's not that relevant, huh?)

Up until year 3 it's perfectly fine to have problems with "s" and "sch" (in English probably "sh").

"z" and "ts" are rather often made into "ch" so it's reasonable that Shion would call little Nozomi Nechumi.

Okay, I'm done xD
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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2015, 03:32:33 pm »
Ohhh, thank you o.o This is really interesting. X'D
(God, I always love it when you explain stuff for my work stuff haha. XD Like...how two men could have a baby...for the Baby Mao doujin... or how babies learn to speak XD)
Good to hear that "Nechumi" is not far-fetched at all.

Ah, but what do you think would Nezumi say? I guess Shion is not an easy name to say either. Although I could imagine that Nezumi can say that name pretty early because he's Nezumi.

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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2015, 03:50:01 pm »
Ah, no problem xD It wasn't even my work; I just translated it kinda horribly.

Well, considering that "sh" is hard to say up to their third year, I'd say he'd probably say "ch" instead just like Shion. Otherwise, it seems to be individual how difficult children find words with "s" and "sh" so you could probably explain that Nezumi can pronounce "Shion" just fine with him just being talented and a few months older (which would probably explain why he'd have no problem with the "o" either).
He could say "Shin" though xD Or something like "Shi-in" or "Shi-an" or whatever when he just decides to purposefully say Shion's name wrong because he can't pronounce it right either way (but like this, no one is gonna guess he just can't pronounce it but rather think he just doesn't want to say it right and that would be very Nezumi - especially if he keeps it up when he finally can say "Shion" but has fun seeing Shion's reaction or something.)
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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2015, 04:16:56 pm »
Shi-an sounds cute XDD Haha... I guess I won't write thaaat much about them when they are still babies. ^^ (I plan on writing short stories, but they all belong to a big AU... I want to start with Shion's birth and 2-3 baby drabbles and then they'll be older. But I don't really need to be chronological I guess, so I can write a story about baby Nezushi even after I've already written about 14-year old Nezushi, depending on my mood. :3
Maybe Nezumi is not talking at all until he's a year and then his first year is a  perfect "Shion", don't know it yet. Otherwise he's just squeaking... haha XDDD Would also be a good reason to call him Nezumi lol

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« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2015, 04:20:42 pm »
Aww, that's just as cute <3

I swear Nezumi would be one of those creepy kids whose first word is a perfectly fluent sentence xD And squeaking, oh my god!

I'm definitely looking forward to it ;)

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Re: Names in No. 6
« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2015, 04:50:34 pm »
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I swear Nezumi would be one of those creepy kids whose first word is a perfectly fluent sentence
Yep, that's what I thought XDDD Something like. "Omigod, our little Nozomi won't talk, let's get him to a doctor..." The doctor tries to touch him and 1-year old Nezumi is like: "Blabla, I talked. And now bring me back to Shi-an." X'D