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No. 6's location
AoYokai:
So, I'm writing a fic about Nezumi's travels and it got me thinking: assuming that the No. 6 universe is similar to ours, where do you think No. 6 is? My first guess would be Japan just because... you know, but I really don't think they would choose to build their city in Japan after half of the world dies. Maybe a place with a little more natural resources. Or maybe it is on some island and that's why it's so isolated?
I don't really know much about geography, but No. 6 is in a place that has lots of gold, as Shion's father discovered, so I don't really know if islands can even have gold...? (I don't know I feel stupid I should sleep) It should also be in a place where the forest can be, and the weather is reasonable (???) so I wouldn't guess Russia for example. So I was thinking... China? Somewhere in the Americas? South Africa? I don't know much about the weather in these places so...Oh there's Australia too (I'm looking at a list of the biggest gold-mining countries) here's the list if you wanna look at potential countries: http://www.goldfacts.org/en/economic_impact/countries/
Ahiku:
A new fic? Yay! \(*o*)/
Ahhhh, @listenforthelove, @lawlya and I have talked about No. 6's location in the time line thread... I know... pretty off topic lol)
I think it's starting here...
It's quite a lot, so I'm not posting everything here.
Just a little summarization.
I think all of us came to the conclusion that No. 6 could be Tokyo, because of the climatic condistions. Even though they regulate the weather within the city walls, we still have the West Block... hot summers, cold winters (but there's no snow at all, maybe a bit. The ground is frozen. But even if it's not frozen people can freeze to death when they don't have enough food and proper clothes... and when you're used to warm temperatures it can be harsh when you suddenly have to live somewhere else where it is significantly colder.
Hm, I ever thought about gold, but I think Japan had some gold mines, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toi_gold_mine
Ok, it says it WAS a gold mine... and it's in Toi which is not too far from Tokyo (maybe 2-3 hours per train).
Ah, i'm not so much into Beyond at the moment... does Shion's father really know that there's a gold mine around the city or does he think there's gold? o.o
listenforthelove:
First of all: yess new fic! \o/
Secondly, haha, yes, as @Ahiku said, we went off-topic a bit in the timeline topic and sort of discussed this...
I still maintain that it's very likely No. 6 is in Japan, or even Tokyo, for reasons @Ahiku mentioned. And wasn't No. 6 the most advanced of the cities, technology-wise and so on?
Regarding resources: Chronos uses solar energy, whereas Lost Town uses RDF (Refuse Derived Fuel). Which is... what it says on the tin, haha. Chronos used that too before switching to solar energy. The East and South blocks are used for agriculture and provide most of the vegetables and meat for No. 6. So it became self-sufficient, and doesn't need to rely on oil I suppose. (Though Rikiga's car is old and still uses petroleum/whatever, if memory serves. I think the other cars are electrical?)
And you're right, if it is on an island, it would account for the isolation (and mirror Japan's position in history for a good couple of centuries, actually).
On the other hand... Nezumi says to have walked for half a year by the time he meets Shion's father, so unless he conveniently forgot to mention he had to take a boat at some point - huh?
Oh wow, I totally misread @Ahiku's post on the Toi mines and thought it read Toi8, oops. XD;
As for Beyond, Shion's father does show Nezumi actual gold:
--- Quote ---“Is this... gold ore?”
“Yes. Listen to me: there are gold deposits in the area around No. 6. I don’t know how large the area is, but I think there’s a considerable amount of gold hidden there.”
“No way.”
“It’s true. I discovered it when I was younger. I might look like this now, but I was once a geologist. We investigated all soil around No. 6, and this was part of the discovery.”
--- End quote ---
(9th-ave)
I don't see why he should be lying about where he got the gold, but yeah, I don't really trust the guy. <<
(Also, I went to Asuka and the Manyo museum this year; the museum is located where Japan's first known mint was. Asuka was the not-really-but-sort-of capital before Nara, which was the capital in the 8th century. So I assume there must be some kinds of metals in Japan to make coins with in the first place, unless they imported it all as early as that? I'm not exactly well-read on the natural occurrences of gold and gold mines, though.)
And there is something else I meant to discuss, maybe in a thread of its own, but it might be relevant here... I always kind of felt Elyurias was like a kami, a Shinto god. I really need to dig up my readings to make a more accurate post on that, but yeah, that does feed into my idea that No. 6 is in Japan.
Weisel:
I personally think that No.6 is located somewhere that China used to be. When Shion's discussing the Babylon Treaty in the anime, it shows ruins underwater, and at the mention of most of the world becoming inhabitable, my thought it that nuclear bombs were used in the last war, which could be powerful enough to change the climate itself. So I imagine that the process of global warming was sped up, a significant portion of coastal lands are now underwater, and basically all the islands we know of now are underwater as well. Plus, like we said, Nezumi's only been walking as far as we know.
listenforthelove:
@Weisel: ah, good point about the ruins under water, I totally forgot that. The anime did show a bit more about the world than the manga/novels did, didn't it? I mean, we actually saw No. 5 in there and all. China is a good possibility, as it would account for Nezumi only having walked so far (China to Western-Europe would take about half a year I guess?), and depending on where you are in China, I think the climate could be similar to Japan? Perhaps hotter? But yeah if climate changed anyway...
I always kind of assumed nuclear weapons were in fact used in the wars that almost destroyed human kind... I'm not sure if it was explicitly mentioned that it was indeed the case, though, but it would account for a lot of things.
I wonder where the world in No. 6 split off from the world we know (if it's not a completely different/parallel world to begin with, but let's assume not because otherwise they wouldn't mention America explicitly). I mean, Shion was born in 2001 and the Treaty was made and No. 6 was being built before he was born, so at least at the end of the 20th century. Hm. Maybe the 1940s ended a little differently than in our history?
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